Battlefleet Gothic: Armada 2

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HavocDragoon Jun 18, 2021 @ 4:48pm
Skirmish Mode
So... I know this is two years late, but...
Why the hell did the developers axe Skirmish mode? Why did they completely remove the first game's best mode from the second?
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404 Float not found Jun 20, 2021 @ 11:38am 
Originally posted by HavocDragoon:
So... I know this is two years late, but...
Why the hell did the developers axe Skirmish mode? Why did they completely remove the first game's best mode from the second?
Bump
I actually refunded this game launch week because it was missing the skirmish mode, or so I thought.

Honestly seems like they were trying for an E-Sports vibe, though I think people would've preferred the progressive Skirmish mode. Only reason I have the game is I got it in a bundle with other stuff I wanted (I think) I don't believe i've even tried it more than once since the second aquisition.

The skirmish mode would put my hours into the 100's but alas.
... it has skirmish mode.
HavocDragoon Jun 21, 2021 @ 9:54am 
Originally posted by VI Skalgrim Fellaxe:
... it has skirmish mode.
No, it doesn't. It has a custom battle mode. Not the same thing.
I'm talking about the Skirmish mode from BFGA1, the best part of that game and the only way to play most of the factions in singleplayer.
BFGA2 does not have a Skirmish mode.
Im not sure what you are talking about. Are you talking about a free for all campaign mode? Are you talking about some type of multiplayer experience? Because for most RTS a skirmish mode is just what this game has, called custom battle mode where you select opponents and your own forces and fight it out in a premade map.
HavocDragoon Jul 16, 2021 @ 5:04pm 
Originally posted by VI Skalgrim Fellaxe:
Im not sure what you are talking about. Are you talking about a free for all campaign mode? Are you talking about some type of multiplayer experience? Because for most RTS a skirmish mode is just what this game has, called custom battle mode where you select opponents and your own forces and fight it out in a premade map.
I am talking about what BFGA1 called Skirmish Mode.
Seriously, go try it, it was the best part of the game.
Basically, it was a progressive series of battles in which you built, levelled up and upgraded your own custom fleet, and you could do so as any of the six factions in the game, rather than the boring, one-faction campaign.
After trying the campaign once, and not enjoying it, and being a strict "a full price game must stand up on its single-player alone because multiplayer will always have factors outside of the game's control"-type, Skirmish Mode was BFGA1's saving grace, and the one thing that justified buying in the first place for me.
BFGA2's campaigns are much better than BFGA1's, but there's still not a whole lot of replayability, which for someone with my values makes BFGA2 terrible value for money.
A return of BFGA1's Skirmish Mode with all of BFGA2's factions would have made it amazing value for money (and was indeed the very reason that I bought the game in the first place, only to be sorely disappointed).
Laidlaw Jul 16, 2021 @ 10:17pm 
Yeah... at least the campaign is not just skirmish mode with a story. lol
Coheed Jul 17, 2021 @ 1:21am 
Yeah, fully agree OP, I spent so many hours in the first game playing the progressive skirmish mode, was disappointed that it was included in BGA2 😔
HavocDragoon Jul 17, 2021 @ 1:28am 
Originally posted by laidlaw2551ppcli:
Yeah... at least the campaign is not just skirmish mode with a story. lol
Except it isn't.
If it were, we'd be able to play Tau, Eldar, Orks, etc, IN the campaign.
Instead we're stuck with the same old Imperium-centric main campaign, two tacked-on campaigns for the source material's two least interesting factions, and the surprisingly good Chaos DLC campaign.
If they'd released a "neutral" campaign that you could play with any faction and with the story and time pressure stripped out, people wouldn't be complaining.
THAT would be a suitable substitute for Skirmish Mode.
There's complaining because a lot of people, in order to play their favourite factions, have to either well around in the meaningless custom battles or play PvP, and it sure seems like a lot of people despise the PvP, so that's 0 for 2 on being able to play your preferred faction in any meaningful way.
And it's not helped by the wait times. Last time I actually tried playing the PvP (last week) the wait times were in excess of 30 minutes. A 30 minute wait, then a 5 minute battle, then back to a 30 minute wait.
Why?
Well, I don't know whether it's the matchmaking or whether the servers are just ghost towns, but it's not good.
BFGA1 has more active servers for PvP, so I'll let that speak for itself.
Originally posted by HavocDragoon:
Originally posted by laidlaw2551ppcli:
Yeah... at least the campaign is not just skirmish mode with a story. lol
Except it isn't.
If it were, we'd be able to play Tau, Eldar, Orks, etc, IN the campaign.
Instead we're stuck with the same old Imperium-centric main campaign, two tacked-on campaigns for the source material's two least interesting factions, and the surprisingly good Chaos DLC campaign.
If they'd released a "neutral" campaign that you could play with any faction and with the story and time pressure stripped out, people wouldn't be complaining.
THAT would be a suitable substitute for Skirmish Mode.
There's complaining because a lot of people, in order to play their favourite factions, have to either well around in the meaningless custom battles or play PvP, and it sure seems like a lot of people despise the PvP, so that's 0 for 2 on being able to play your preferred faction in any meaningful way.
And it's not helped by the wait times. Last time I actually tried playing the PvP (last week) the wait times were in excess of 30 minutes. A 30 minute wait, then a 5 minute battle, then back to a 30 minute wait.
Why?
Well, I don't know whether it's the matchmaking or whether the servers are just ghost towns, but it's not good.
BFGA1 has more active servers for PvP, so I'll let that speak for itself.
They're not gonna release it. In fact, the devs aren't gonna release anything, and not just for this game. The devs are dead.
HavocDragoon Jul 19, 2021 @ 3:58pm 
Originally posted by Tommy Gray x Land Raider:
They're not gonna release it. In fact, the devs aren't gonna release anything, and not just for this game. The devs are dead.
That's why I said:
Originally posted by HavocDragoon:
If they'd released a "neutral" campaign that you could play with any faction and with the story and time pressure stripped out, people wouldn't be complaining.
If they'd released. Not if the release.
I'm well aware that this game is abandonware.
Laidlaw Jul 20, 2021 @ 12:14pm 
Originally posted by HavocDragoon:
Originally posted by laidlaw2551ppcli:
Yeah... at least the campaign is not just skirmish mode with a story. lol
Except it isn't.
If it were, we'd be able to play Tau, Eldar, Orks, etc, IN the campaign.
Instead we're stuck with the same old Imperium-centric main campaign, two tacked-on campaigns for the source material's two least interesting factions, and the surprisingly good Chaos DLC campaign.
If they'd released a "neutral" campaign that you could play with any faction and with the story and time pressure stripped out, people wouldn't be complaining.
THAT would be a suitable substitute for Skirmish Mode.
There's complaining because a lot of people, in order to play their favourite factions, have to either well around in the meaningless custom battles or play PvP, and it sure seems like a lot of people despise the PvP, so that's 0 for 2 on being able to play your preferred faction in any meaningful way.
And it's not helped by the wait times. Last time I actually tried playing the PvP (last week) the wait times were in excess of 30 minutes. A 30 minute wait, then a 5 minute battle, then back to a 30 minute wait.
Why?
Well, I don't know whether it's the matchmaking or whether the servers are just ghost towns, but it's not good.
BFGA1 has more active servers for PvP, so I'll let that speak for itself.
The BFG 1 Campaign was literally the skirmish mode with a story. At least you get a proper campaign map and several races to play just like any other "grand" strategy map its used for every campaign.
What do you mean a normal campaign? You mean that would make you happy? lol

I used to play BFG solely for the pvp and the wait times got so bad you would wait an hour so yeah that sucks and people stopped playing all together. It's a niche game audience to begin with and the mistakes made with the game pushed other players away.
Last edited by Laidlaw; Jul 20, 2021 @ 12:15pm
HavocDragoon Jul 22, 2021 @ 8:11am 
Originally posted by laidlaw2551ppcli:
The BFG 1 Campaign was literally the skirmish mode with a story. At least you get a proper campaign map and several races to play just like any other "grand" strategy map its used for every campaign.

Ah, I see where you were going with that. Yeah, BFGA1's campaign sucked. I do agree that BFGA2's campaigns are all better than BFGA1's.

Originally posted by laidlaw2551ppcli:
I used to play BFG solely for the pvp and the wait times got so bad you would wait an hour so yeah that sucks and people stopped playing all together. It's a niche game audience to begin with and the mistakes made with the game pushed other players away.

Right, you get it. They decided to focus on a fickle niche of an already niche playerbase.

Originally posted by laidlaw2551ppcli:
What do you mean a normal campaign? You mean that would make you happy? lol
Originally posted by HavocDragoon:
If they'd released a "neutral" campaign that you could play with any faction and with the story and time pressure stripped out, people wouldn't be complaining.
THAT would be a suitable substitute for Skirmish Mode.

What I mean by a "neutral" campaign is:
- Take the campaign map from BFGA2's campaigns.
- Perhaps add in some extra sectors.
- Give each faction a small foothold in lore-friendly sectors.
- Fill the remaining systems with AI factions e.g. Imperial Secessionists, Chaos Warbands, etc.
- Allow the player to play as any faction.
- Example win conditions: global conquest, hold certain sectors for X turns, etc.

That way, people could play their favoured factions in a meaningful way with actual progression.
It would combine the best aspects of both BFGA1's Skirmish Mode and BFGA2's campaigns.
But we'll never get that, since the game has been abandoned.
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Date Posted: Jun 18, 2021 @ 4:48pm
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