Chaos vs Adeptus Mechanicus

[Nightbringer]

So, here is my current issue. I play cat and mouse with my enemies since Chaos seems weak as ♥♥♥♥. I outmaneuver my opponent, I win by points and I constantly find skirmishes where I dominate by points. For example, recently I had found lone Gothic Cruiser (No Nova cannons) in the cap with 2 Infidels and Hellbringer Mk. 2. They struggle to take them on. AM cruisers are better at range with their accuracy, so I might as well close in with my light cruiser and board them. Later I had rushed Acheron in and it got to quack that cruiser for a bit before my opponent rushed to save his cruiser and I had to retreat. End result, I could not "assassinate it". I faced Tyrant later in similar conditions. I have Slaughter and Infidel on its back and we are trading blows equally! I also had huge head start with my Acheron providing supporting fire for my ambush fleet and yet, all of it fell quite short.


How I'm supposed to fight them with Chaos who is ought to be raiders fleet when Imperials not only have most punishing broadside weaponary, but also now with recent buff accuracy over range? To put insult to injury, they have even better lances than Chaos does!


In general, I feel that Chaos gets shorter end of the stick. They tend to be portrayed in campaign as saturday's morning cartoon villains, their stats seem quite terrible and worst of all, they get very little race unique abilities and upgrades. Not to mention that most of them are either generic or suck.

[Nightbringer]

Seriously, I would understand that I get outchased by Eldar, but even those fish face Tau can chase me down and gun me down. Brawling is also not a great option when in most games you are an underdog and have to abuse your better speed not to get demolished. Yet, please tell me one thing. Just ONE thing at which Chaos is supposedly to be a lot better than other races. And no, I do not mean that you like their colour or political perspective. It needs to be a major reason at something why they would be a lot better than everyone else and could win games solely on that.


Chaos really are missing their old mutated ships as it stands now, they are bastardized Imperial ships, but with none of the former advantages. Chaos needs passive HP regen for Nurgle, maneuver trickery with Tzeentch, boarding frenzy with Khorne and Slannesh for whatever dildos she-male might stand for.

[Uporcpine]

I'm no expert on Chaos, but it seems to me it is kind of a jack of all trades faction. No significant strenghts, but no significant weaknesses either, so your best bet is being versitile, and looking for your enemy's.
With Chaos I generally
Kite Imps, Orks, Necrons, Nids, SM
Board Mechanicus, Tau,
Ram & board Eldar
Seems to work most of the time. Don't know about high level play though.

[Nightbringer]

For some reason I got to legendary and epic ranks, don't know how though. The issue with Tau is their overwhelming firepower. They will spawn 1 type of ship which will cause massive casualties to you and it is very difficult to flank whole fleet, so frontal arc is meaningless. I also did not saw significant weaknesses which would help me to win by outboarding them. I do not have strong area denial tools, I do not have strong mobility tools. It seems that even 200 speed battleship and other ships are way too slow when your opponents too have 200 speed ships. They will take center piece of a map and they will always have distance advantage in catching you up.



When it comes to being jack of all trades, it creates issues with most match ups. If you do not counter them perfectly, you lose as you do not have any inherent strengths over your opponent. Everything you have is mediocre while opponent will have far more efficient, specialised ships. Usually when you do jack of all trades, but master of none type race or a ship, you tend to give them really good everything for their cost. This is the only way why someone would choose an unit if it is quite good for its price at everything. Not because it is meh for its price. You have to give an edge even in universality in competitive environment for an unit to remain viable or otherwise it will get outshined by specialized ships in every match. Chaos either needs unique tools to carry their mediocre ships, powerful ship mutations or more sensible weapons. Missiles being too stupid in grim future of 41st millenia to fly in all directions. Lances who are piss weak. Speed which gets outmatched regularly by non movement based raced, etc.

[Androgos]

ad mech just got all the toys right now is the issue i think

[a great big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ truck]

Admech are one of the worst factions in the game lmao

[Nightbringer]

Yes, I do believe that they are awfully efficient for their points. I have zero issues fighting them as a race and it is fun to play cat and mouse with nova guns. Yet, the issue is when I do everything right, get a drop on their cruisers and they still can hold on their own. They have terrific accuracy over range with their guns and can fire farthest than any race (wtf?). They have Imperial standard devastating broadside weaponary, they have better lances. Since game is bugged and I cannot see health and shield stats I also think that they might be even more durable than Chaos ships in some cases. Certainly they have that additional armour up front just for lulz.

[DarkKrieg]

I really don't understand you man. All of your posts are this:

"I win my games but things are unfair and unbalanced."

Clearly the issues you are having are not affecting you. This game, as all warhammer games, has asymmetrical races.

This means that every race is not equal. Some will do things very well, and others will do things poorly. Certain match ups are unfavorable, but not necessarily unwinnable, as you seem to be so fond of stating that you win the majority of your games.

I really don't understand what you're complaining about. You win. You outplay or outsmart the enemy so what is the issue?

Are you just upset that you can't blow ships up instantly with massive damage as Chaos where other races can?

Start playing another race if you'd rather cause massive damage instead of damage over time.

[Big Boom Boom]

6 Slaughter + Nurgle Ability.

Insta win against Ad Mech. Only a few types of fleet can out brawl it and due to hugemongous cost Ad Mech ain't one.

[Nightbringer]

Chaos simply doesn't have anything going for it. It doesn't have damage over time. It doesn't have blessings which people talk here about. Its upgrades and skills are generic, boring and weak. Even races which shouldn't be better than Chaos in their respective areas are still just as good as it. I do not understand from where you got that I win most of my games, in most of them I feel like an underdog and would often lose due to inability to do anything at all.

[a great big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ truck]

Originally posted by Nightbringer:

Chaos simply doesn't have anything going for it. It doesn't have damage over time. It doesn't have blessings which people talk here about. Its upgrades and skills are generic, boring and weak. Even races which shouldn't be better than Chaos in their respective areas are still just as good as it. I do not understand from where you got that I win most of my games, in most of them I feel like an underdog and would often lose due to inability to do anything at all.

pfffffffffffft

[SpiceMerchant]

Originally posted by Nightbringer:

Chaos simply doesn't have anything going for it. It doesn't have damage over time. It doesn't have blessings which people talk here about. Its upgrades and skills are generic, boring and weak. Even races which shouldn't be better than Chaos in their respective areas are still just as good as it. I do not understand from where you got that I win most of my games, in most of them I feel like an underdog and would often lose due to inability to do anything at all.

My dude... You're not even level 10 and yet you talk ♥♥♥♥ about Chaos, they're pretty decent as far as facrions go

[Nightbringer]

I'm yet to see how.

[Death]

Chaos are probably my favourite faction.

Their toughest matchup is Necrons and orks. Otherwise they fare pretty well in my experience.

If you suffer against ad mech you simply need to work on your thruster usage and fleet spacing. Chaos wins the matchup if you dodge the novas. The majority of chaos ships move at 200 speed which is faster than most other fleets, actually the fastest fleet in the game.

[Nightbringer]

That is incorrect. Tau can effectively catch Chaos. In addition, Eldar can easily catch you. Chaos doesn't have mobility advantage over other races either. As for Adeptus Mechanicus, I'm telling that their ships per individual basis are way too good. Even taken Nova Cannons completely out of equation which are never a problem for me. I constantly have to grossly outplay my opponent in order to win as I do not feel that playing ground is equal at all in most cases.

[Death]

Originally posted by Nightbringer:

That is incorrect. Tau can effectively catch Chaos. In addition, Eldar can easily catch you. Chaos doesn't have mobility advantage over other races either. As for Adeptus Mechanicus, I'm telling that their ships per individual basis are way too good. Even taken Nova Cannons completely out of equation which are never a problem for me. I constantly have to grossly outplay my opponent in order to win as I do not feel that playing ground is equal at all in most cases.

Why would eldar and tau be ‘catching’ you? You should be catching them.

It just seems like you need to play chaos more and learn the matchups. That would be my advice to you.

You have higher hull points and troop / morale values than those factions respectively. In those cases you should be the aggressor. You still have 67 armour and the ability to ram ya know.