Stormworks: Build and Rescue

Stormworks: Build and Rescue

BloodYuri Mar 6, 2024 @ 5:00pm
My nuclear submarine is very weird...
I built 4 turbine to pitchable propeller, sub size is almost feet the dock
When 0 pitch everything is normal, turbine rps is about 109, propeller rps more than 300
But if sub start moving, rps will suddenly reduce to 10...
And the speed is very weird, 10, 8, 10, 8, 10, 8 very unstable
I also change to electric motor but useless
Dose anyone got same problem?
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TKTom Mar 6, 2024 @ 7:08pm 
If your turbines are directly connected to the propeller then the speed of the turbine will change depending on how much work the propeller is doing. When the pitch is at zero the prop is not actually having to move much water, once you apply some pitch to the propeller that water is now resisting the turning effect so the rps will slow down.

I haven't used turbines for direct propulsion in a while but it sounds like you don't have enough torque for what you are trying to do. Have you tried reducing the gear ratio (so the prop spins at closer to the same speed as the turbine)?

Also, check your steam setup is running effectively, with 4 turbines your inconsistent speed might be the result of inconsistent steam flow. (Check that the pressure on the steam intake for the turbines as at or near 60 atm consistently.)
BloodYuri Mar 7, 2024 @ 4:02am 
Originally posted by TKTom:
If your turbines are directly connected to the propeller then the speed of the turbine will change depending on how much work the propeller is doing. When the pitch is at zero the prop is not actually having to move much water, once you apply some pitch to the propeller that water is now resisting the turning effect so the rps will slow down.

I haven't used turbines for direct propulsion in a while but it sounds like you don't have enough torque for what you are trying to do. Have you tried reducing the gear ratio (so the prop spins at closer to the same speed as the turbine)?

Also, check your steam setup is running effectively, with 4 turbines your inconsistent speed might be the result of inconsistent steam flow. (Check that the pressure on the steam intake for the turbines as at or near 60 atm consistently.)
Boiler pressure is 2.5, turbine steam is 60 atm
Maybe I need more turbine?? Or more gearbox?
GrumpyOldMan Mar 7, 2024 @ 4:09am 
4 Turbines for a workbench size sub won't do much.
Try 12-16 turbines if you can fit them.
It's also recommended to pipe them in parallel and use a large electrical pump to pressurize the steam:
boiler -> 1x large electrical pump -> split into all turbine steam inputs
then do the reverse for the steam output into the condenser:
all turbine steam outputs -> 1x large electrical pump -> condenser
BloodYuri Mar 7, 2024 @ 4:21pm 
Originally posted by GrumpyOldMan:
4 Turbines for a workbench size sub won't do much.
Try 12-16 turbines if you can fit them.
It's also recommended to pipe them in parallel and use a large electrical pump to pressurize the steam:
boiler -> 1x large electrical pump -> split into all turbine steam inputs
then do the reverse for the steam output into the condenser:
all turbine steam outputs -> 1x large electrical pump -> condenser
12 turbines need only 1 condenser?
Last edited by BloodYuri; Mar 7, 2024 @ 5:59pm
The Nameless Mar 7, 2024 @ 4:50pm 
Originally posted by BloodYuri:
Originally posted by GrumpyOldMan:
4 Turbines for a workbench size sub won't do much.
Try 12-16 turbines if you can fit them.
It's also recommended to pipe them in parallel and use a large electrical pump to pressurize the steam:
boiler -> 1x large electrical pump -> split into all turbine steam inputs
then do the reverse for the steam output into the condenser:
all turbine steam outputs -> 1x large electrical pump -> condenser
12 turbines only need 1 condenser?

You actually need 12 turbines? Well, maybe for direct drive. Direct drive sucks. I always go SGED--steam generator, electric drive. I run a VTOL and a 200k-mass, full-workbench trawler that way. The VTOL burns less fuel than the starter boat at 500 knots. The trawler... I'm not actually sure. It got to the arctic with 10,000 more liters of fuel than it started with so it's glitched somehow, I'm not sure how much it will burn working properly. Oh, yeah, they just use diesel furnaces. No farting around with coal or uranium. :P
Last edited by The Nameless; Mar 7, 2024 @ 4:53pm
BloodYuri Mar 7, 2024 @ 5:12pm 
Originally posted by The Nameless:
Originally posted by BloodYuri:
12 turbines only need 1 condenser?

You actually need 12 turbines? Well, maybe for direct drive. Direct drive sucks. I always go SGED--steam generator, electric drive. I run a VTOL and a 200k-mass, full-workbench trawler that way. The VTOL burns less fuel than the starter boat at 500 knots. The trawler... I'm not actually sure. It got to the arctic with 10,000 more liters of fuel than it started with so it's glitched somehow, I'm not sure how much it will burn working properly. Oh, yeah, they just use diesel furnaces. No farting around with coal or uranium. :P
How many motors you got?
I just think direct drive is cool~XD
GrumpyOldMan Mar 7, 2024 @ 9:51pm 
Originally posted by BloodYuri:
12 turbines need only 1 condenser?
You only ever need 1x heat source (firebox/furnace/reactor), 1x boiler and 1x condenser.

Keep the heat source temperature around 130° and the condenser will have an easy time converting it back to fresh water.

Steam turbines used to be in the same power range as a medium prefab diesel engine, around 155-160 generator output from a single turbine.
Now they are more powerful and able to produce ~530 generator output from a single turbine.
You used to need way more turbines previously.

Make sure to use 2x gearboxes set to 3:1 facing the turbines to get all the torque out of them and follow the piping suggestion I posted above.

Originally posted by The Nameless:
You actually need 12 turbines? Well, maybe for direct drive. Direct drive sucks. I always go SGED--steam generator, electric drive. I run a VTOL and a 200k-mass, full-workbench trawler that way. The VTOL burns less fuel than the starter boat at 500 knots.
You might want to run a direct comparison between direct drive and electric.
Also feel free to post that 500kts starter boat, doesn't seem to be on your workshop.
Last edited by GrumpyOldMan; Mar 7, 2024 @ 9:51pm
BloodYuri Mar 8, 2024 @ 6:28am 
Originally posted by GrumpyOldMan:
You only ever need 1x heat source (firebox/furnace/reactor), 1x boiler and 1x condenser.

Keep the heat source temperature around 130° and the condenser will have an easy time converting it back to fresh water.

Steam turbines used to be in the same power range as a medium prefab diesel engine, around 155-160 generator output from a single turbine.
Now they are more powerful and able to produce ~530 generator output from a single turbine.
You used to need way more turbines previously.

Make sure to use 2x gearboxes set to 3:1 facing the turbines to get all the torque out of them and follow the piping suggestion I posted above.

Maybe I got the problem.
I set one big propeller before, it's slow and unstable.
I change 4 small one and the speed increase from 10 to 17.
Not good enough but much better.
I think water resistance is the main reason.
BloodYuri Mar 9, 2024 @ 5:59am 
But I cannot increase more speed
Even I change to motor still useless...
BloodYuri Mar 10, 2024 @ 5:57pm 
Finally...
I just build 4 big motors, now everything is OK
The Nameless Mar 11, 2024 @ 6:14am 
Originally posted by GrumpyOldMan:
Originally posted by The Nameless:
You actually need 12 turbines? Well, maybe for direct drive. Direct drive sucks. I always go SGED--steam generator, electric drive. I run a VTOL and a 200k-mass, full-workbench trawler that way. The VTOL burns less fuel than the starter boat at 500 knots.
You might want to run a direct comparison between direct drive and electric.
Also feel free to post that 500kts starter boat, doesn't seem to be on your workshop.

I don't recall ever using the word 'starter'. The one that can go 500 knots (depending on wind; a more consistent top speed is around 450) is not a 'boat'. It's a VTOL AIRCRAFT, and it's right here. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3174095742

Yes it started with But Hull's V-04, but I put the steam engine in it.

The TRAWLER is a boat, but it is not a 'starter' anything, it's what I made out of the old Troll III and it's pretty much as big as a ship can be. Any bigger and it would just be a giant box. And it will never do 500 knots, it only does 50. I can't post it because the author seems to have gone inactive so I can't get permission to reupload.
Last edited by The Nameless; Mar 11, 2024 @ 6:16am
GrumpyOldMan Mar 11, 2024 @ 7:15am 
Originally posted by The Nameless:
I don't recall ever using the word 'starter'.
Originally posted by The Nameless:
The VTOL burns less fuel than the starter boat at 500 knots.
Right there, "starter".

Anyway, seems to be a misinterpretation on my part then.

From how I read your quote above, you stated your VTOL consumes less fuel than the starter boat at 500 knots.

When instead you meant your VTOL going 500 knots consumes less fuel than the starter boat.
The Nameless Mar 11, 2024 @ 8:27am 
I think if the starter boat could go 500 knots, anything would use less fuel than it does. lol

Oh yeah, you're right, I DID use the word, you just skimmed over it and got the context wrong. Happens to me sometimes too. :P

Yes, I meant that even at 500 knots, my VTOL uses fuel more slowly than the starter boat. Well, I *think* it does. I haven't measured it. It sure uses it slowly though. And generates like 15000 swats on 3 turbines. It's all in the flywheels and the clutching.

Actually if I ripped out the steam engine entirely and attached a large electrical motor to the flywheels behind 2 gearboxes at 3:1, it would probably generate even more power. If I just ripped out the furnace and boiler and attached the motor to the RPS pipe, it'd still make the turbine sounds too. But I decided that while the clutches and flywheels might be pushing it, I would not make this a true cheat machine.

Except for the emergency backup. That's a true cheat, but it's only meant to be used if you hit something and lose all your fuel. :P
GrumpyOldMan Mar 11, 2024 @ 8:32am 
Just be aware that partially engaged clutches (especially the 1x1x2 clutch) generate power out of nowhere. With no glitches or exploits you can get ~530 output from a large generator per turbine at most (used to be 165 before the space DLC...).
All fine and dandy if you don't mind using glitches/exploits, just something worth to consider if the devs ever decide to fix it.
The Nameless Mar 11, 2024 @ 9:10am 
Originally posted by GrumpyOldMan:
Just be aware that partially engaged clutches (especially the 1x1x2 clutch) generate power out of nowhere. With no glitches or exploits you can get ~530 output from a large generator per turbine at most (used to be 165 before the space DLC...).
All fine and dandy if you don't mind using glitches/exploits, just something worth to consider if the devs ever decide to fix it.

I think enough creations depend on this by now that they'd face backlash if they did. Just like when they made it so you couldn't screw around with pivots to make a boat more buoyant. Too many people would find that their favorite boats just plain didn't work anymore. And without it you have to do what you said, stack about a million turbines up. And one boiler won't provide enough steam for that since a few updates ago. :P No more small steam boats; you'd practically need a full-workbench ship before you'd have enough room.
Last edited by The Nameless; Mar 11, 2024 @ 9:19am
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