Steam boilers and injectors. Dev, are you drunk?

[Puncake]

My boiler runs out of water before it reaches full pressure.
So, I thought, i'll add some type of injector.
A big watertank in my locomotives tender and a pump later, i thought i was done. Nope. It refuses to pump water into my boiler. This method used to work.
Now the boiler maxes out at 2.5 pressure, and then refuses to accept water.

Am i missing something or is the game broken? If so, please just fix it.

Maybe this has been posted before. In that case it's about time it gets posted again, because it's apparently not been fixed.

[Kahuna]

can you link the vehicle here

[Puncake]

Originally posted by Kahuna:

can you link the vehicle here

No, i can't until a few hours. Why would that help?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Ignore the boiler values except for the temperature, which is obviously needed to stay above 100° in order to make steam.

You can use the advanced tooltip to check the boilers steam output pressure, or put a pressure sensor on the output pipes if you want to display this value on a dial/monitor.

When the steam output pressure reaches 60atm you're using the boiler at its maximum output.

Fluid volume doesn't mean anything anymore, same for boiler pressure.

The devs never go into detail what they changed or how it's supposed to work. Makes it convenient so players couldn't figure out if stuff is actually not working as intended if being kept in the dark.

Wouldn't be the first time for them to claim players are "building it wrong".

Water to steam conversion ratio was 1:100 before the update, now it's 1:1 with no mention in the changelogs so no one knows if intended or not.

At 10 pressure the boiler would hold 700l of steam and explode (700l ÷ 70 = 10 pressure).

Now with 2.5 pressure being the new maximum there are no more boiler explosions. The boiler spawns in with 175l of fresh water, all of it turned into steam results in 2.5 boiler pressure (175l ÷ 70 = 2.5 pressure).

Apparently it's impossible to fix boiler explosions for some asinine reason.

The boiler can put out steam at very high flowrates beyond 1kl/s, which makes it seem that no water can enter the boiler. It's just converted into steam almost instantly.

To sum it up, simply ignore everything except keeping the boiler above 100° and the output pressure reaching 60atm.

The 175l of fresh water are enough for a 5-6 steam piston engine, or 6-9 steam turbines chained in series. If you have more than that in your steam circuit and can observe the steam pressure not reaching 60atm even at higher temperatures (130°+) then you most likely need to add fresh water to the boilers steam input, so more steam circulates the pipes and fills up all connected components properly at 60atm.

[ShizNator]

It's a consequence of the new gas update and currently no plans on changing it or fixing it because they can't do it without breaking things atm.

https://geometa.co.uk/support/stormworks/22715

[crazynachos42]

Originally posted by GrumpyOldMan:

Ignore the boiler values except for the temperature, which is obviously needed to stay above 100° in order to make steam.

You can use the advanced tooltip to check the boilers steam output pressure, or put a pressure sensor on the output pipes if you want to display this value on a dial/monitor.

When the steam output pressure reaches 60atm you're using the boiler at its maximum output.

Fluid volume doesn't mean anything anymore, same for boiler pressure.

The devs never go into detail what they changed or how it's supposed to work. Makes it convenient so players couldn't figure out if stuff is actually not working as intended if being kept in the dark.

Wouldn't be the first time for them to claim players are "building it wrong".

Water to steam conversion ratio was 1:100 before the update, now it's 1:1 with no mention in the changelogs so no one knows if intended or not.

At 10 pressure the boiler would hold 700l of steam and explode (700l ÷ 70 = 10 pressure).

Now with 2.5 pressure being the new maximum there are no more boiler explosions. The boiler spawns in with 175l of fresh water, all of it turned into steam results in 2.5 boiler pressure (175l ÷ 70 = 2.5 pressure).

Apparently it's impossible to fix boiler explosions for some asinine reason.

The boiler can put out steam at very high flowrates beyond 1kl/s, which makes it seem that no water can enter the boiler. It's just converted into steam almost instantly.

To sum it up, simply ignore everything except keeping the boiler above 100° and the output pressure reaching 60atm.

The 175l of fresh water are enough for a 5-6 steam piston engine, or 6-9 steam turbines chained in series. If you have more than that in your steam circuit and can observe the steam pressure not reaching 60atm even at higher temperatures (130°+) then you most likely need to add fresh water to the boilers steam input, so more steam circulates the pipes and fills up all connected components properly at 60atm.

THIS, perfect explaination it needs to be put under all of these posts im so tired of explaining that its not a bug.

[Puncake]

Originally posted by crazynachos42:

Originally posted by GrumpyOldMan:

Ignore the boiler values except for the temperature, which is obviously needed to stay above 100° in order to make steam.

You can use the advanced tooltip to check the boilers steam output pressure, or put a pressure sensor on the output pipes if you want to display this value on a dial/monitor.

When the steam output pressure reaches 60atm you're using the boiler at its maximum output.

Fluid volume doesn't mean anything anymore, same for boiler pressure.

The devs never go into detail what they changed or how it's supposed to work. Makes it convenient so players couldn't figure out if stuff is actually not working as intended if being kept in the dark.

Wouldn't be the first time for them to claim players are "building it wrong".

Water to steam conversion ratio was 1:100 before the update, now it's 1:1 with no mention in the changelogs so no one knows if intended or not.

At 10 pressure the boiler would hold 700l of steam and explode (700l ÷ 70 = 10 pressure).

Now with 2.5 pressure being the new maximum there are no more boiler explosions. The boiler spawns in with 175l of fresh water, all of it turned into steam results in 2.5 boiler pressure (175l ÷ 70 = 2.5 pressure).

Apparently it's impossible to fix boiler explosions for some asinine reason.

The boiler can put out steam at very high flowrates beyond 1kl/s, which makes it seem that no water can enter the boiler. It's just converted into steam almost instantly.

To sum it up, simply ignore everything except keeping the boiler above 100° and the output pressure reaching 60atm.

The 175l of fresh water are enough for a 5-6 steam piston engine, or 6-9 steam turbines chained in series. If you have more than that in your steam circuit and can observe the steam pressure not reaching 60atm even at higher temperatures (130°+) then you most likely need to add fresh water to the boilers steam input, so more steam circulates the pipes and fills up all connected components properly at 60atm.

THIS, perfect explaination it needs to be put under all of these posts im so tired of explaining that its not a bug.

175l is enough until the steam is spent. Then what do i do? Whatever i do i can't add more water, no matter how many pumps i use.

[Wingnut]

Does your steam circuit have a condenser?

[Puncake]

Originally posted by Wingnut:

Does your steam circuit have a condenser?

No, it's a steam locomotive. I have to let the steam drain before i can push in more water. Feels dumb having to have the injector constantly on. They should add some injector type pump that uses steam to push more fluids into an already pressurised container,

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally posted by Puncake:

No, it's a steam locomotive. I have to let the steam drain before i can push in more water. Feels dumb having to have the injector constantly on. They should add some injector type pump that uses steam to push more fluids into an already pressurised container,

You now need 100x more fresh water than before the patch when dumping steam.

Condensers are mandatory now.

I've had a tiny train with 3k liters of fresh water for ~1h of runtime. Now I'd need 300k liters of fresh water without a condenser, which the tiny train is unable to pull much faster than walking speed.

[Puncake]

Originally posted by Wingnut:

In a steam locomotive engine the steam drains from the cylinder into the condenser (cooled with separate circuit) converts to water and is then re injected into the boiler.
Only very early primitive steam engines didnt condense the steam into water.
My advice is to add a condenser stage to re circulate the used steam. without that you will need an endless source of freshwater, like the early stationary engines had (a nearby river).

What are you on about mate?
Almost all steam locomotives total loss when it comes to steam. You know the chuffs they make? That's exhaust steam coming out of the stack. Only handful of steam engines were made/converted to having a condenser, which are mostly smaller brittish engines. Some did reuse exhaust steam in a second set of cylinders, before exhausting it out iof the stack. I've made such creations too in stormworks.

I like what i do to be realistic, im not putting a condenser on my conventional engine. Because that's not how they were built.
Realisticly engines had to fill up with water every 10-15km, depending on it's size and layout ofcourse.
I'll just have to build a huge tender with lots of water.

Anyways, thanks for your input