Stormworks: Build and Rescue

Stormworks: Build and Rescue

First Tutorial Starter Boat is Terrible
...it's just too damn good!

Obviously no disrespect intended to Mr.NJ here, the boat is beautiful and runs beautifully!

But that's the problem... Right off the bat, it's a disincentive to build something better! The old tutorial boat looked like a stupid running shoe, and it was perfect! Couldn't wait to get into the editor and make something better.

This one... I fear people will be like, "Well let's see what else is in the workshop, I can't top this."

Use the workbench to edit the vehicle? ...it's a damn work of art. I'm not touchin' it!! LOL :lunar2019crylaughingpig:
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Not saying its not nice its a very well build rhib (even when that white lamp annoys me) but its nothing beginners could understand.
最近の変更はKhorenが行いました; 2020年9月18日 6時24分
yea.. the logic i clicked on it cos i wanted to make a small change and BAM i get hit hard witha spider web
Khoren の投稿を引用:
Yeah, it really needs to be more basic. Toutorial: "go to the workbench" Player does so: "WTF is all this" quits the workbench and didn't understand at all how the boat is build.

We need a proper basic building toutorial ingame, so that the players atleast understand whats going on.

My friend picked up the game. Opened the workbench and stared at it for a little while. Closed the game and never touched it again. (Before v1.0) He was put off by the lack of tutorial and felt overwhelmed. I agree there needs to be a basic in game tutorial. Many people don't have the patience to sit through an hour long video on how to build an advanced boat.
That beatiful piece of ship (with p optionally can be changed to t) went underwater in tutorial. Well, I guess that was because storm + me staying right at the back of the boat trying to find fuel, but really...
I came to this game in 1.0 and apparently they ruined everything I was expecting to love.
BawlZack の投稿を引用:
Khoren の投稿を引用:
Yeah, it really needs to be more basic. Toutorial: "go to the workbench" Player does so: "WTF is all this" quits the workbench and didn't understand at all how the boat is build.

We need a proper basic building toutorial ingame, so that the players atleast understand whats going on.

My friend picked up the game. Opened the workbench and stared at it for a little while. Closed the game and never touched it again. (Before v1.0) He was put off by the lack of tutorial and felt overwhelmed. I agree there needs to be a basic in game tutorial. Many people don't have the patience to sit through an hour long video on how to build an advanced boat.
Possible unpopular opinion, linking to videos isn't a proper tutorial either. Not saying the videos aren't good but the last thing I want to do is watch a video about the game I just got instead of playing it. If someone only has one monitor they're at even more of a disadvantage because of the constant switching back and forth.

For starters, I'm one of the people that would much rather have something written I can follow at my own pace rather than constant pausing and rewinding. Secondly, I'd have to wonder what other corners got cut if they couldn't put it a proper tutorial.
最近の変更はBobKlobbが行いました; 2020年9月18日 10時00分
YouTubers should be compensated for doing the work of, showing people how to make the game function. Were it not, for Frantic and Mr.Njearsey, I would have given up on it long ago. Now they are just using these folks as a backboard for their messy shots.
It looks good, like all MrNJ creations, but actually looking at it functionally, it is sorely lacking and very poorly optimized from a functional standpoint... like all MrNJ creations.

You'd have to have quite distinct know-how about the mechanics to tell that, though. Most new players will likely stick with it for a long time.

The logic as mentioned here is also a nonsensical web with zero readability or optimization.
最近の変更はRa-Ra-Rasputinが行いました; 2020年9月18日 14時58分
Khoren 2020年9月20日 16時21分 
Well Found an alternative. There seems to be a developed and little bit bigger shoe existing in the tutorial mission. The one you extinguish the fire on.
That one doesn't seem to include things like control panels and seems more basic in general and is similar in size.
最近の変更はKhorenが行いました; 2020年9月20日 16時22分
XLjedi 2020年9月20日 16時44分 
Khoren の投稿を引用:
Well Found an alternative. There seems to be a developed and little bit bigger shoe existing in the tutorial mission. The one you extinguish the fire on.
That one doesn't seem to include things like control panels and seems more basic in general and is similar in size.

Sure!

They could take the current Ninja boat and set that one ablaze on the beach! Give us the beached boat (or a running shoe would be fine) with a fire extinguisher and first aid kit.

Narrative:

Turns out the electric space heater installed in half-submerged floor wasn't a great idea, and now there's an unconscious electrocuted NPC on the ground next to the flaming monstrosity.

:steamhappy:

CaoLex の投稿を引用:
That beatiful piece of ship (with p optionally can be changed to t) went underwater in tutorial. Well, I guess that was because storm + me staying right at the back of the boat trying to find fuel, but really...

New to this game with 1.0 and despite it looking authentic I was very underwhelmed with the starter RHIB for reasons like this. The surface of the water clips through the hull, the stern frequently submerges even in calm seas, its impossible to move smoothly from stern to bow without awkwardly jumping about due to clipping on every little object, steering is almost nonexistant below 50% throttle.

Despite its looks the starter boat feels glitchy/jankey as hell to me to the point I am contemplating a refund.
I had a closer look at it and...

Yeah, and on top of that there's no way to control the starter boat with a controller for analog control because of the absurd decision to "smooth out" the steering and obfuscate the throttle control without an override switch.

There's a significant amount of design problems with it that have been covered with cheap shortcuts, like the fact that it seems to do a 5-10% power reverse because it'd dip at any higher setting.

It looks great, and that's about it. It's engineered like a bathtub, and the performance with twin engines is abysmal. For that size boat twin engines shouldn't have any issue coasting it around at 40m/s or more, and given that the engines at most give 40% of their power flat out there's no reason to have twin engines.

Also not only is the microcontroller's layout a very poorly thought out mess, it could be optimized to be a third of its size without really affecting anything significant by doing minor design changes on the boat itself and using a couple of loose function blocks.
最近の変更はRa-Ra-Rasputinが行いました; 2020年9月20日 17時29分
XLjedi 2020年9月20日 17時23分 
|TG-42nd| Dongle の投稿を引用:
New to this game with 1.0 and despite it looking authentic I was very underwhelmed with the starter RHIB for reasons like this. The surface of the water clips through the hull, the stern frequently submerges even in calm seas, its impossible to move smoothly from stern to bow without awkwardly jumping about due to clipping on every little object, steering is almost nonexistant below 50% throttle.

Despite its looks the starter boat feels glitchy/jankey as hell to me to the point I am contemplating a refund.

Yeah, I hadn't really thought about it but highlighting the water clipping problem for new players may not be the best marketing strategy.

As you play you realize why it happens and tend to forgive it. In the case of this starter design you have a veteran designer who has (like most of us) basically become accepting of and/or blind to it. Basically, we accept the visual flaw and just pretend it isn't there in these small raft-style creations.

They've gotten better, with time, particularly with water clipping through hulls in larger craft... but for really small boats with these flatter hull designs it's just impossible to avoid.

They really should just go back to the motorized bathtub for a tutorial boat and let folks be excited by how cool of a craft they can create to replace it.
Back to the shoe. For longest time I would just stretch that thing to the max. Make is wider and longer and that was my starter boat. Pretty good to start off with and modify. Along with it was easy to understand
Pete 2020年9月20日 17時30分 
I hated the new tutorial boat. It really doesn't drive well. Managed to roll it too.
I think the perfect tutorial boat would be as simple as possible, so when a new player goes to edit it, they see a lovely clear example of how things are supposed to work.
On the other hand, I really like the tractor.. even if its useless, it looks good.
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