Angels with Scaly Wings

Angels with Scaly Wings

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How in the world can you even call Bryce's good ending... GOOD?
I don't get what is actually good about this ending.

Sure, Reza dies to Maverick, but the generators are still lost and destroyed. Bryce is saved from drowning. Izumi also dies to Maverick after revealing that it was her, and not Reza that commited the murders. Then Maverick dies by our hand.

HOW is this any good for Bryce? The asteroid cannot be stopped, and the coordinates to humanity are gone. The only option we have is to go back in time and try once again.

Last edited by JeffMakesGames; Jul 16, 2017 @ 9:05am
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Dolphin Bottlenose Jul 15, 2017 @ 10:11pm 
Well, it was a good ending for Bryce. Relatively good to the bad one, at least. What good and bad is relative.
JeffMakesGames Jul 15, 2017 @ 11:24pm 
Not really. Bryce will still die to the asteroid event. Either killed by the impact, or by the coming ice age. The only sense of good I see is that he didn't drown, only to witness his end in the upcoming weeks/months.

The same thing could go for Anna's Good ending. While the dragons are saved, Anna still dies to her condition.
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Dolphin Bottlenose Jul 15, 2017 @ 11:41pm 
Originally posted by |MG| JeffMakesGames:
Not really. Bryce will still die to the asteroid event. Either killed by the impact, or by the coming ice age.
We all will die, sooner or later. For Bryce it will be "later" in his good ending. It's not that bad.

The same thing could go for Anna's Good ending. While the dragons are saved, Anna still dies to her condition.
I have mixed feelings on this one. In my opinion her bad ending was actually a good one for her. And vice versa.
JeffMakesGames Jul 15, 2017 @ 11:55pm 
Originally posted by Dolphin Bottlenose:
Originally posted by |MG| JeffMakesGames:
We all will die, sooner or later. For Bryce it will be "later" in his good ending. It's not that bad.

Still can't consider it good. Dragons will go extinct, and the human city still falls. "We all die sooner or later" is a pretty terrible argument. I'd be fine if Bryce lived out the rest of his days into old age.

Adine's and Remy's good endings are the only one I can consider remotely Good. The dragon world is saved and both of them live in their ending, but humanity still falls. Even when I got those endings, I didn't settle on them and continued playing.

Because I didn't want to just save one world. I wanted to save both. I needed to save both.

I have mixed feelings on this one. In my opinion her bad ending was actually a good one for her. And vice versa.

Both are bad because, while you do save the dragons world, she still dies, and humanity still falls. What would have made it good is if you argued with and convinced the council to let her make the cure.
Dolphin Bottlenose Jul 16, 2017 @ 12:03am 
Originally posted by |MG| JeffMakesGames:
Because I didn't want to just save one world. I wanted to save both. I needed to save both.
For that you have the true ending. It encompasses everybody. But characters have their own endings, that should be looked at from their own perspectives. They are not the whole game's endings, and not necessary deal with global problems.
Drago The Dragon Jul 16, 2017 @ 12:45am 
Originally posted by Dolphin Bottlenose:
We all will die, sooner or later. For Bryce it will be "later" in his good ending. It's not that bad.

This "later" means 2 weeks iirc from Remy's ending. In his bad ending Maverick takes this postion. Oh it's just total extinction of both races and our utlimate failure in a supposively "good" outcome, it's not that bad right?

Anyway, it's indeed very awkward that this is the only good ending which ends in total catastropthy (and fact that we're doing it with the police elite makes it's failure ever weirder), in any other good one dragon world survives. It seems that the sole purpose of this ending is to teach us how important is keeping the chain of events intact which may tell us why we can't shoot Reza into the face right after we meet him and provide more feels about Maverick.
Last edited by Drago The Dragon; Jul 16, 2017 @ 12:48am
Originally posted by Luario:
This "later" means 2 weeks iirc from Remy's ending. In his bad ending Maverick takes this postion. Oh it's just total extinction of both races and our utlimate failure in a supposively "good" outcome, it's not that bad right?
Again you fail to grasp that it's the Bryce's ending, not the total, complete, every little world's detail ending. In Bryce's ending Lorem doesn't even exist!

Bryce did what he could, and he survived the outcome. And having two more weeks to live and then to be wiped out by a meteorite for a chief of police is not that bad, as being killed on duty. In this case he is the winner, and goes down as the winner, wiped out by forces beyond his control.
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JeffMakesGames Jul 16, 2017 @ 1:57am 
Originally posted by Dolphin Bottlenose:
Again you fail to grasp that it's the Bryce's ending, not the total, complete, every little world's detail ending. In Bryce's ending Lorem doesn't even exist!

What in the world are you even talking about with this? Just because it's one of Bryce's endings doesn't mean the other four main characters stop existing.

Bryce did what he could, and he survived the outcome. And having two more weeks to live and then to be wiped out by a meteorite for a chief of police is not that bad, as being killed on duty. In this case he is the winner, and goes down as the winner, wiped out by forces beyond his control.

Still can't see this as winning or good in any sense.
Originally posted by |MG| JeffMakesGames:
Originally posted by Dolphin Bottlenose:
Again you fail to grasp that it's the Bryce's ending, not the total, complete, every little world's detail ending. In Bryce's ending Lorem doesn't even exist!

What in the world are you even talking about with this? Just because it's one of Bryce's endings doesn't mean the other four main characters stop existing.
For Bryce some of them don't exist, as he doesn't know about them. And their fate shouldn't be taken into an account, while considering how good or bad the ending was from the Bryce's perspective.

Bryce did what he could, and he survived the outcome. And having two more weeks to live and then to be wiped out by a meteorite for a chief of police is not that bad, as being killed on duty. In this case he is the winner, and goes down as the winner, wiped out by forces beyond his control.

Still can't see this as winning or good in any sense.
Well, the death will happen to every one. You can't beat it. Be it an old age's body failure, or a meteorite. How you lived and how you go is what important.
JeffMakesGames Jul 16, 2017 @ 2:15am 
Smh... :awswanna:
Drago The Dragon Jul 16, 2017 @ 2:54am 
Originally posted by Dolphin Bottlenose:
Again you fail to grasp that it's the Bryce's ending, not the total, complete, every little world's detail ending. In Bryce's ending Lorem doesn't even exist!

Bryce did what he could, and he survived the outcome. And having two more weeks to live and then to be wiped out by a meteorite for a chief of police is not that bad, as being killed on duty. In this case he is the winner, and goes down as the winner, wiped out by forces beyond his control.
And you fail to grasp the whole picture. Every character is present in the game world and we have an impact on what happens to them while the game goes. It's just up to us who we ask for help in the final confrontation, it doesn't suddenly vaporise every character in the game world we're supposed to save in trial and error matter.
The true final outcome is what and which world survived in general, character we go with is just a way of achieving that. Point of this discussion is why both worlds are doomed even if we put effort into Bryce and Maverick and why it's classified as a "good" one under any circumstances.

Both Bryce's bad and good endings are the same - end up in total catastrophy where we fail both as saviours and friends. - this is why this topic exists, isn't it?

And the comet is not beyond our control, that's the whole point of the game - the chase to get in the control.

As you asked about Lorem, oh he is here. He is either dead on the bottom of the flooded shop or he is watching fireworks with Ipsum unaware of what is happening as we never asked him for help. Just because the game doesn't toss this information at you it doesn't mean you can't figure it out yourself.
Last edited by Drago The Dragon; Jul 16, 2017 @ 2:55am
Originally posted by Luario:
As you asked about Lorem, oh he is here. He is either dead on the bottom of the flooded shop or he is watching fireworks with Ipsum unaware of what is happening as we never asked him for help. Just because the game doesn't toss this information at you it doesn't mean you can't figure it out yourself.
I can. But we are not talking about my ending, be it good or bad. We are talking about Bryce's one, and Bryce doesn't know about Lorem. If we meant to think about the whole picture, then why the ending is called "Bryce's good/bad ending"? It would have been called "Worlds' good/bad ending #2", etc.
JeffMakesGames Jul 16, 2017 @ 3:17am 
Originally posted by Dolphin Bottlenose:
I can. But we are not talking about my ending, be it good or bad. We are talking about Bryce's one, and Bryce doesn't know about Lorem. If we meant to think about the whole picture, then why the ending is called "Bryce's good/bad ending"? It would have been called "Worlds' good/bad ending #2", etc.

What do you mean by your ending? Bryce knows exactly who Lorem is as well as the other characters.

He knows Remy works with Emera. (Chapter 3)
He knows Anna. (Because of the trouble she got into with certain research.)

He knows Lorem. (See Bryce's BBQ, after you been to 3 of Lorem's scenes.)
He stops Sebastian from saying..... something.....

He knows Adine. (See Bryce's BBQ, after you been to 3 of Adine's scenes.)
The only yellow flyer he knows of, delivers pizza to him...

It's called Bryce's ending, because YOU have been hanging out with Bryce, and YOU went with him to see the fireworks, to go and stop Reza, to the end of this story arc.
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Drago The Dragon Jul 16, 2017 @ 3:19am 
Originally posted by Dolphin Bottlenose:
I can. But we are not talking about my ending, be it good or bad. We are talking about Bryce's one, and Bryce doesn't know about Lorem. If we meant to think about the whole picture, then why the ending is called "Bryce's good/bad ending"? It would have been called "Worlds' good/bad ending #2", etc.

I see what you mean here. The problem we have is that no matter what Bryce's good ending brings, explains or concludes it is irrelevant due to impending doom within around 2 weeks. We're locked in "everything dies lol go time travel again" even in a good ending. Yes, we do get a tiny epilogue with our beloved chief before we leave everyone behind do die in flames, however this is what we get in other character's bad endings (except anna's, there dragons live).
This leaves Bryce in a very weird spot we're trying to discuss here.

His bad ending on the other hand is good and logical in what it is supposed to be - we go in less number, Reza has easier job to go past us, Bryce sacrifices himself to help us run away, both worlds are doomed and we can either leave or get clawed down. This is the bad outcome and there is no ground to question it.
But then good ending? There is a swap in a 1 casuatty and rest is basically the same - total doom that makes any conclusion irrelevant, nothing good here, we can only move on to the portal.



He knows Lorem. (See Bryce's BBQ, after you been to 3 of Lorem's scenes.)
He stops Sebastian from saying..... something.....

He knows Adine. (See Bryce's BBQ, after you been to 3 of Adine's scenes.)
The only yellow flyer he knows of, delivers pizza to him...
Really? Now I have a reason to play the game 2 more times ^^
Last edited by Drago The Dragon; Jul 16, 2017 @ 3:22am
Little_FaKsii/TTV Jul 17, 2017 @ 9:25am 
HAving read all this, I agree. When I "Sided with the police" I was actually expecting one of the best outcomes for the dragons, but I got the worse. I didn't really consider it a good outcome, though I would say it was "better" then the bad outcome, specifically for Bryce.

All that said, I'd like to hear what you guys would change. How would you make a proper good ending for Bryce. For me, first thing's first is all the generators need to survive. The dagon world needs to make it. However, I could see Bryce telling us to leave with one generator, dooming the dragon world but "saving" the human world, only to realise that it sent us back in time. This shows a growth in character for him. How would you guys actually approach a good ending for Bryce?
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