DS1 level design isn't as good as people rave about.

[EGGZxOVERxExZ]

NEW OPINION : Anor Londo is REALLLLLY cool. Im starting to like the game a lot more now after i left blighttown and the tomb of the giants(wasn't suppose to be there yet anyways)
Im in Anor Londo rn and its starting to warm up on me. I still dont think its better than DS3 quite yet but i do plan on playing NG+ right after i finish and i'll use a guide to help me through the quests and im suspecting that i'll have a way better opinion on DS1 once i start getting into the lore and the quests. Also i'll have PVP to look forward to once i hit 120-125 and im only 50 rn.

I for sure dont think its a mid title anymore and i was just raging/venting my frustrations but i have to stand by this one statement i made and thats that the Tomb Of The Giants(maybe saying it wrong) and the fact that its just a pitch black area a dumb af design idea. Thats basically my only gripe about DS1 and ima stand on it cause i really think its a stupid idea thats simply based on trial and error in terms of learning the map so you dont die from rolling off the edge. And yes, i know you get a lantern but unless im doing something wrong, you cant swing your sword while you are using the lantern and you cant hook it on your belt (or maybe you can i never tried that) so it illuminates without having to hold it out in front of you.

I know people are going to defend EVERY SINGLE aspect of this game and thats fine, i get it. But i personally only hate that one section of the game so far. And not because of the skeleton dog/things but just because its PITCH BLACK.


Any game that forces the player to go through trial and error through the games level design isn't (imo) considered good level design. Having an area be completely pitch black so the only way to navigate is by trial and error isn't considered good level design(imo).

Dark Souls 3 (and my entry into the series) is a masterclass in gaming as a whole. DS1 is a solid 7, maybe 7.5.

Dont get me wrong, ima force my way through it and i'll probably enjoy it more along the way but i can already tell this isn't the pinnacle in my experience within the souls genre. I did also come into this after Lies Of P (which is another masterclass in what a video game should be) so DS1 feels like a considerable downgrade from LoP. I like DS1 so far but its pretty mid tier so far.

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Didn't know that with the account. Cool info ty but as far as the lantern goes...i have it already. It doesn't make the area any better. Still lame. Not hard just lame.

Well, I get it, you don't like the level design. But that's your personal opinion. For me it's quite the opposite, I like the game especially for it's level design without any handholding, how you can get lost. Took me several playthroughs until I understood some subtle hints in NPC dialogues , item describtions and environment. Also I like that we can't teleport from start, we are forced to learn the map.

I enjoy everything you mentioned also. Ive beaten Morrowind 3 times and once with the Tramriel rebuilt mod and on top of countless other games where theirs zero hand holding. Gothic 2, Wizardry 8, BG1-2, Icewind Dale, Outward so countless other games. I just find DS1 to be mid in terms of level design.

[M.T. Fish]

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Some information about the lantern: you can get your first lantern already in Catacombs. You need to find and kill all necromancers there, and the last one will drop a lantern. When you're very lucky it can also drop from an earlier necromancer.
But later in your game you can get a much better source of light, a helmet to wear on head, so you have both hands free for weapon or shield. But this can be tricky to find.
Another way to get light is to cast a light spell ( needs 14 int.)

Btw, you can see if someone owns the game. Then a mouse icon appears next to their name.
But no mouse icon when you're playing on a family shared account.

sigh...i get it cause i do it to but im really going to try and not do it anymore but try and read the thread before commenting. Im guilty of it also but ive already mentioned that i have the lantern. Having the lantern doesn't change my opinion of the level design. I also found blighttown to be meh as well. Im just not a major fan of DS1 so far. DS3 is one of my favorite games but like i said, DS1....meh

To be fair, most people don't like Blightown. It has a... reputation.

It lags pretty bad, restricts mobility, and has the blowdart dudes and later on in the game it preludes the gloriously unfinished Demon Ruins and Izalith.

[Sgt. Flaw]

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Just finish the game before rating...we all raged at some point during our playthrough

look it up figure it out git gud

I am going to finish it but i dont need to finish it to tell you that its not nearly as good as DS3. Its simply just an okay experience. Lies Of P, DS3, Elden Ring had me hooked from the first 10 minuets while DS1 im kinda like "meh, its okay".

The combat im not talking about here though, so lets get that clear. Im talking only about the level designs and only the level design and i personally find DS1 to have a very mid level design. Its not bad but compared to what fromsoft would put out in the future, DS1 fails in comparison.

DS 1 was the first in the series...your criticism is jaded from being new to the series. I was burnt out on the formula when 3 came around and it took me 5 years to finish it. Elden Ring revived that by changing way more than souls did from 1 to 3.....

3 was my least favorite because it was just a rehash of 1...I felt 2 was better than 3 too

it's not mid...was never mid and was critically acclaimed...Your opinions are very niche and very strong. DS 1 did way more for gaming than 3 didand lies of P wouldn't exist without it.

I can tell from your posts your raging lol...if your sick of souls put it down..thats what I did with 3

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sigh...i get it cause i do it to but im really going to try and not do it anymore but try and read the thread before commenting. Im guilty of it also but ive already mentioned that i have the lantern. Having the lantern doesn't change my opinion of the level design. I also found blighttown to be meh as well. Im just not a major fan of DS1 so far. DS3 is one of my favorite games but like i said, DS1....meh

To be fair, most people don't like Blightown. It has a... reputation.

It lags pretty bad, restricts mobility, and has the blowdart dudes and later on in the game it preludes the gloriously unfinished Demon Ruins and Izalith.

Well that actually makes me feel a bit better actually. At least its not just me lol. I just find it to be meh. like i said. Its not horrible or even bad but its not on par with future fromsoft designs.

[M.T. Fish]

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I am going to finish it but i dont need to finish it to tell you that its not nearly as good as DS3. Its simply just an okay experience. Lies Of P, DS3, Elden Ring had me hooked from the first 10 minuets while DS1 im kinda like "meh, its okay".

The combat im not talking about here though, so lets get that clear. Im talking only about the level designs and only the level design and i personally find DS1 to have a very mid level design. Its not bad but compared to what fromsoft would put out in the future, DS1 fails in comparison.

DS 1 was the first in the series...your criticism is jaded from being new to the series. I was burnt out on the formula when 3 came around and it took me 5 years to finish it. Elden Ring revived that by changing way more than souls did from 1 to 3.....

3 was my least favorite because it was just a rehash of 1...I felt 2 was better than 3 too

it's not mid...was never mid and was critically acclaimed...Your opinions are very niche and very strong. DS 1 did way more for gaming than 3 didand lies of P wouldn't exist without it.

I can tell from your posts your raging lol...if your sick of souls put it down..thats what I did with 3

I agree with the first half of what your saying but OP doesn't really seem burnt out on Souls as much as their expectations were maybe too high based on the hype or later games. DS1 is my favorite souls game and I'll be one of the first to say some aspects haven't aged well in comparison to later games like QoL improvements and general controls or ambitions.

I hated DS1 the first time I played it and it took me a few tries with PTD, then the PS4 remaster, and then the PC remaster before I actually liked it.

I prefer the simplicity of this game over the later ones because I don't like having a hundred things happening at once.

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I am going to finish it but i dont need to finish it to tell you that its not nearly as good as DS3. Its simply just an okay experience. Lies Of P, DS3, Elden Ring had me hooked from the first 10 minuets while DS1 im kinda like "meh, its okay".

The combat im not talking about here though, so lets get that clear. Im talking only about the level designs and only the level design and i personally find DS1 to have a very mid level design. Its not bad but compared to what fromsoft would put out in the future, DS1 fails in comparison.

DS 1 was the first in the series...your criticism is jaded from being new to the series. I was burnt out on the formula when 3 came around and it took me 5 years to finish it. Elden Ring revived that by changing way more than souls did from 1 to 3.....

3 was my least favorite because it was just a rehash of 1...I felt 2 was better than 3 too

it's not mid...was never mid and was critically acclaimed...Your opinions are very niche and very strong. DS 1 did way more for gaming than 3 didand lies of P wouldn't exist without it.

I can tell from your posts your raging lol...if your sick of souls put it down..thats what I did with 3

Im not raging though lol Even the dude above you agrees that blighttown is meh. I just dont think DS1 is that great. End of story.

[EGGZxOVERxExZ]

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I am going to finish it but i dont need to finish it to tell you that its not nearly as good as DS3. Its simply just an okay experience. Lies Of P, DS3, Elden Ring had me hooked from the first 10 minuets while DS1 im kinda like "meh, its okay".

The combat im not talking about here though, so lets get that clear. Im talking only about the level designs and only the level design and i personally find DS1 to have a very mid level design. Its not bad but compared to what fromsoft would put out in the future, DS1 fails in comparison.

DS 1 was the first in the series...your criticism is jaded from being new to the series. I was burnt out on the formula when 3 came around and it took me 5 years to finish it. Elden Ring revived that by changing way more than souls did from 1 to 3.....

3 was my least favorite because it was just a rehash of 1...I felt 2 was better than 3 too

it's not mid...was never mid and was critically acclaimed...Your opinions are very niche and very strong. DS 1 did way more for gaming than 3 didand lies of P wouldn't exist without it.

I can tell from your posts your raging lol...if your sick of souls put it down..thats what I did with 3

And i agree that its critically acclaimed. Thats why im going to finish it because i love fromsoft. Im just not a fanboy who has to love everything fromsoft makes. So far, DS1 is meh and DS3 is the goat. Just like i feel like you are wrong, you feel like i am. Its all just an opinion so no ones really right or wrong.

but im right and you're wrong :)

[Sgt. Flaw]

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DS 1 was the first in the series...your criticism is jaded from being new to the series. I was burnt out on the formula when 3 came around and it took me 5 years to finish it. Elden Ring revived that by changing way more than souls did from 1 to 3.....

3 was my least favorite because it was just a rehash of 1...I felt 2 was better than 3 too

it's not mid...was never mid and was critically acclaimed...Your opinions are very niche and very strong. DS 1 did way more for gaming than 3 didand lies of P wouldn't exist without it.

I can tell from your posts your raging lol...if your sick of souls put it down..thats what I did with 3

And i agree that its critically acclaimed. Thats why im going to finish it because i love fromsoft. Im just not a fanboy who has to love everything fromsoft makes. So far, DS1 is meh and DS3 is the goat. Just like i feel like you are wrong, you feel like i am. Its all just an opinion so no ones really right or wrong.

but im right and you're wrong :)

no your not dude...your very opinionated and criticizing an old ass game by today's standards..there was no souls "level design" before this game

It's like me giving Super Mario Bros. a 1 because of linear level design..it's just not rational

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And i agree that its critically acclaimed. Thats why im going to finish it because i love fromsoft. Im just not a fanboy who has to love everything fromsoft makes. So far, DS1 is meh and DS3 is the goat. Just like i feel like you are wrong, you feel like i am. Its all just an opinion so no ones really right or wrong.

but im right and you're wrong :)

no your not dude...your very opinionated and criticizing an old ass game by today's standards..there was no souls "level design" before this game

It's like me giving Super Mario Bros. a 1 because of linear level design..it's just not rational

Again im right and you are w r o n g. its ok

[Sgt. Flaw]

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no your not dude...your very opinionated and criticizing an old ass game by today's standards..there was no souls "level design" before this game

It's like me giving Super Mario Bros. a 1 because of linear level design..it's just not rational

Again im right and you are w r o n g. its ok

You rated a critically acclaimed goty released in 2011 a 7 because it's 3rd entry into the series and a clone released this year was better....

I think your raging cuz u died bud

[EGGZxOVERxExZ]

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Again im right and you are w r o n g. its ok

You rated a critically acclaimed goty released in 2011 a 7 because it's 3rd entry into the series and a clone released this year was better....

I think your raging cuz u died bud

You can have the last word if you really want it. Still wrong though.

[Sgt. Flaw]

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You rated a critically acclaimed goty released in 2011 a 7 because it's 3rd entry into the series and a clone released this year was better....

I think your raging cuz u died bud

You can have the last word if you really want it. Still wrong though.

For saying your method of reviewing classic games is unfair and irrational? I know your smarter than that but are raging because you died from error after trial...its far to obvious

I think DS 3's level design was bland and the game to be a complete rehash of DS 1....I don't bring it up because I probably played 3,000 hours of Souls from DeS onward until DS 3's release.

[EGGZxOVERxExZ]

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You can have the last word if you really want it. Still wrong though.

For saying your method of reviewing classic games is unfair and irrational? I know your smarter than that but are raging because you died from error after trial...its far to obvious

I think DS 3's level design was bland and the game to be a complete rehash of DS 1....I don't bring it up because I probably played 3,000 hours of Souls from DeS onward until DS 3's release.

bruh lol im just trolling you at this point. im glad you like ds1 so much and i get why you do, i really do im not trolling when i say that. Buit i really feel like its mid tier im sorry man.

[Berry]

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I am going to finish it but i dont need to finish it to tell you that its not nearly as good as DS3. Its simply just an okay experience. Lies Of P, DS3, Elden Ring had me hooked from the first 10 minuets while DS1 im kinda like "meh, its okay".

The combat im not talking about here though, so lets get that clear. Im talking only about the level designs and only the level design and i personally find DS1 to have a very mid level design. Its not bad but compared to what fromsoft would put out in the future, DS1 fails in comparison.

DS 1 was the first in the series...your criticism is jaded from being new to the series. I was burnt out on the formula when 3 came around and it took me 5 years to finish it. Elden Ring revived that by changing way more than souls did from 1 to 3.....

3 was my least favorite because it was just a rehash of 1...I felt 2 was better than 3 too

it's not mid...was never mid and was critically acclaimed...Your opinions are very niche and very strong. DS 1 did way more for gaming than 3 didand lies of P wouldn't exist without it.

I can tell from your posts your raging lol...if your sick of souls put it down..thats what I did with 3

Everybody forgets about the progenitor, Demon's Souls.

[CB]

Youre gonna defend your favorite game no matter what.

no, i won't. i will literally be the first to tell you that the pvp is shallow and terribly balanced.

And being pitch black wasn't an environmental tip and if it is then its a really bad one.

i noticed you dodged my question about how you react to a dark room in real life. tell me how bad of an environmental clue it is then.

The fact fromsoft made the area pitch black is a bad decision.

i disagree. i think the theme of the final four areas is that they break some rule and i like what the no-visibility rule meant for the gameplay. i had to juggle between fighting in the dark with a shield and using a light, way back when.