Imposter?

[TorneFurHire]

So I recently within the last month finished Dark Souls for the first time (shocking revelation, I know), and from what I've gathered from playing and from reading, there's one piece of the story that still leaves me stumped... Havel.

So from what I understand, Havel was against the dragons as well, and personally can't stand Seath. Yet when you, the player, are in that area with the big hydra, he attacks you in the tower. I'm confused as to whether or not that is actually Havel, or if it is someone who is wearing his armor.

[Castyles]

He, more than likely, turned hollow. Or he thinks you're the hollow one.

Fun fact: Havel returns in Dark Souls 2. Kinda.

[achilleas_demetriou]

Originally posted by Castyles:

He, more than likely, turned hollow. Or he thinks you're the hollow one.

Fun fact: Havel returns in Dark Souls 2. Kinda.

and in dark souls 3 as well. though i dont know if its someone else in havels armor set

[TorneFurHire]

Those are possibilities I considered as well. I mean, I've beaten Dark Souls and Dark Souls 3, working on SotFS as we speak. My confusion REALLY set in when I found Havel's armor and the Dragon Tooth in Anor Londo. I thought surely no other being could have armor EXACTLY like Havel the Rock, so that's why I turned to you guys.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by Frankenseuss:

Those are possibilities I considered as well. I mean, I've beaten Dark Souls and Dark Souls 3, working on SotFS as we speak. My confusion REALLY set in when I found Havel's armor and the Dragon Tooth in Anor Londo. I thought surely no other being could have armor EXACTLY like Havel the Rock, so that's why I turned to you guys.

We do not know if Havel locked in the tower is actually Havel. We can only assume that is him and it is quite possible(because he drops the ring).
The chests in hidden part of Anor Londo also contained weapon specificaly made to kill gods.

The person in tower is hollow, as it is recurring theme that NPCs attack you when they go hollow.

[lancealot59]

There are some videos out there showing how the Havel in the tower, is not the true Havel. Though there are also some videos out there showing how the Havel in the tower, is the true Havel. It really just depends on what theory or evidence you believe. I think it's probably not the true Havel, because all he has is Havel's ring. Why would Havel only have his ring? Defeat Solaire for example, he drops all of his gear. Defeat "Havel" however, you only get his ring, meanwhile his armor and weapons are in chests in a hidden area in Anor Londo. Anyway...just go watch some of the youtube videos on the subject, and make up your own mind.

[dcy665]

What they ^^^ said. Also, come back and tell us what you think you figured out. 'Cause I'm not going to watch those videos. ;-)

[nomorevideos]

Originally posted by lancealot59:

Anyway...just go watch some of the youtube videos on the subject, and make up your own mind.

Is there any video explaining how, somehow, kingdoms, despite eons passing, still have the same name, the same sort of armor and just everyone kind of knowing about those kingdoms or "lands"? It never made much sense to me how so much time can pass, countless kingdoms come and go, but for whatever reason everyone knows Catarina, everyone (starting with 2) knows about Mirrah. How can that be? How can people in DS1 know about Catarina, how can there be official Catarinian knights roaming in other kingdoms, but then in DS3, after countless times of re-linking the fire and countless times of kingdoms rising and falling and after miracles slowly, but surely losing power due to people forgetting how to recite them, how come there's still Catarina knights in DS3 and everyone knows about them too. It's not like the people in DS3 don't know what an onion knight is. They know those knights, those armor sets, they're from Catarina, it says so in the description and in DS3 the kingdom of land of Catarina seems to still exist.. or exist again. How can that be? When Lordran, Drangleic and Lothric and probably thousands of other kingdoms off-screen have come and gone? It makes very little sense.
Even Andre being there makes little sense. I get that he isn't really going hollow due to his work and there's essentially always people in need of weaponry, but it's still very odd. And then to top it all off.. if you "kill" an NPC.. they're dead... like how? I know NPCs in 3 come back, but not actually all of them. And in DS1 and DS2 they straight up.. die. Hollows.. who die. How can that be? A perfectly sane hollow.. as sane as can be for being hollow, who just dies. The lore is really inconsistent and has a bunch of plot holes. In my eyes anyway.

[dcy665]

Sunbro told you. Assuming you talked to him in DS1. Time flows strangely in DS. Long dead heros come through only to disappear again. More than that I cannot help you.

[lancealot59]

I'd recommend watching someone like Hawkshaw, I think they have some videos on the Havel subject.