Gwyndolin - Dead or Alive?

[DMK]

I progressed through the game completing almost all (there are just the part with the DLC and the Klin final part to complete), and roleplaying it I got to Gwynevere just shooted an arrow between her hmmmm hmmmmm "amazing chest ahead" and then I just killed Gwyndolin, the firekeeper and another 2 adepts of him because they were pi.ssed off. I am a bad guy or a good guy? Killing Gwyndolin I mean, forgeting the part with the chest XD. This is the way to play? or I did something wrong?

[Daea]

I wouldn't say it's a matter of "good or bad" with those choices, it's whether or not you wanted to remain subservient to the gods, seeking to link the fire in their favor, or felt the time of the gods was over to bring about the rise of humanity ("the Dark"). Mind you, the final decision for the ending going one way or the other is ultimately up to you to decide when the time comes, but I feel your actions would be the "true" way to play the character going for the Dark ending. But... then again, back to killing Gwyndolin, I get the feeling with regards to "canon" it's intended that Gwyndolin was still alive until the events of Dark Souls 3.

[DMK]

Originally posted by Daea:

I wouldn't say it's a matter of "good or bad" with those choices, it's whether or not you wanted to remain subservient to the gods, seeking to link the fire in their favor, or felt the time of the gods was over to bring about the rise of humanity ("the Dark"). Mind you, the final decision for the ending going one way or the other is ultimately up to you to decide when the time comes, but I feel your actions would be the "true" way to play the character going for the Dark ending. But... then again, back to killing Gwyndolin, I get the feeling with regards to "canon" it's intended that Gwyndolin was still alive until the events of Dark Souls 3.

Thanks for your answer... That means normaly it's the better "way", true? I was feeling bad tho killing the firekeeper just because she was manipulated. But like you said, I am feeling that destroying the illusion and revealing it, it's better than passing by it like nothing happens. And if there is nothing shady happening on the middle, the gods will never bother to manipulate things in such way to their benefits (like all in the city is missing but it's all ok). The curious part is that all the enemies are disappearing but the guys in white that are guarding the painting are still there. Also, on the same cathedral there are Gwyn and Gwynavere but one figure is missing, could be Gwyndolin? And he was removing the statue of him for those that are traveling to Anor Londo to not be suspicious about his presence, that a god could be there? So much questions. And why Gwyndolin is so hostile to you when you are revealing this illusion. Also I watched a video where you can join his covenant as the Blade of the Darkmoon, but was still in some way hostile at first without knowing you. Another question remains: Ornstein & Smough are just also illusions as bosses? (it's difficult to think that is the case). And if they are illusions, the illusion of the bosses is serving as a test to see if you are strong enough to get the lord vessel and to challenge the lords? I'm so confused.

:) Dude, those souls games, just playing a few minutes and after that I am asking yourself so many questions that let's to interpretate in a mysterious way. This game is so philosophical ;D

[Ned]

First of all, there are no real gods in Dark Souls as we know them. The gods in Dark Souls are just powerful beings, like Gwyn, who was just a hollow before finding the First Flame, and calling himself a self-appointed God and ruler of people after gaining a powerful soul.

Gwyndolin is mad at you for breaking his illusion, because he wants the people to belief that the Gods (as in his family) is still in control in this crumbling world. He's the only one that's left that can do this. Gwyn sacrificed his soul to rekindle the fading First Flame, his siblings are who knows where, only he remained in this "forsaken city of Anor Londo".

Also the missing figure is not Gwyndolin, but I might spoil the fun of trying to find it out by yourself, but you really have to read and explore everything (and play Dark Souls 3). If you want the answer, just search Nameless King Lore on youtube.

Smough was probably real, Ornstein on the other hand is still a puzzle, and has many theories, with no real answers. But maybe that's what the creators wanted, for every player to find their own answer.

[DMK]

Originally posted by Ned:

First of all, there are no real gods in Dark Souls as we know them. The gods in Dark Souls are just powerful beings, like Gwyn, who was just a hollow before finding the First Flame, and calling himself a self-appointed God and ruler of people after gaining a powerful soul.

Gwyndolin is mad at you for breaking his illusion, because he wants the people to belief that the Gods (as in his family) is still in control in this crumbling world. He's the only one that's left that can do this. Gwyn sacrificed his soul to rekindle the fading First Flame, his siblings are who knows where, only he remained in this "forsaken city of Anor Londo".

Also the missing figure is not Gwyndolin, but I might spoil the fun of trying to find it out by yourself, but you really have to read and explore everything (and play Dark Souls 3). If you want the answer, just search Nameless King Lore on youtube.

Smough was probably real, Ornstein on the other hand is still a puzzle, and has many theories, with no real answers. But maybe that's what the creators wanted, for every player to find their own answer.

Thanks very much for the answer Ned. I played many times DS1 PTDE and DS2 SOTFS but never played DS3 tho I have it in my library, so I think you are right about the spoilers, better find the answers in DS3 (didn't knew that DS3 has DS1 answers and lore and for that reason I will play it after completing again 1 and 2.)

The problem with Ornstein who make me think that he is real, is because when you will kill him you can get his Leo Ring, and his soul. But I am confused because the other enemies that are not real in Anor Londo can drop things too. :) I think, I'll need to ivestigate more :D

[GALAHAD]

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[Ned]

Originally posted by eternalblue10:

Originally posted by Ned:

First of all, there are no real gods in Dark Souls as we know them. The gods in Dark Souls are just powerful beings, like Gwyn, who was just a hollow before finding the First Flame, and calling himself a self-appointed God and ruler of people after gaining a powerful soul.

Gwyndolin is mad at you for breaking his illusion, because he wants the people to belief that the Gods (as in his family) is still in control in this crumbling world. He's the only one that's left that can do this. Gwyn sacrificed his soul to rekindle the fading First Flame, his siblings are who knows where, only he remained in this "forsaken city of Anor Londo".

Also the missing figure is not Gwyndolin, but I might spoil the fun of trying to find it out by yourself, but you really have to read and explore everything (and play Dark Souls 3). If you want the answer, just search Nameless King Lore on youtube.

Smough was probably real, Ornstein on the other hand is still a puzzle, and has many theories, with no real answers. But maybe that's what the creators wanted, for every player to find their own answer.

Thanks very much for the answer Ned. I played many times DS1 PTDE and DS2 SOTFS but never played DS3 tho I have it in my library, so I think you are right about the spoilers, better find the answers in DS3 (didn't knew that DS3 has DS1 answers and lore and for that reason I will play it after completing again 1 and 2.)

The problem with Ornstein who make me think that he is real, is because when you will kill him you can get his Leo Ring, and his soul. But I am confused because the other enemies that are not real in Anor Londo can drop things too. :) I think, I'll need to ivestigate more :D

You should read all item desciptions, I haven't and only learned truth about Gwyn's children by accident.

[DMK]

Originally posted by Ned:

Originally posted by eternalblue10:

Thanks very much for the answer Ned. I played many times DS1 PTDE and DS2 SOTFS but never played DS3 tho I have it in my library, so I think you are right about the spoilers, better find the answers in DS3 (didn't knew that DS3 has DS1 answers and lore and for that reason I will play it after completing again 1 and 2.)

The problem with Ornstein who make me think that he is real, is because when you will kill him you can get his Leo Ring, and his soul. But I am confused because the other enemies that are not real in Anor Londo can drop things too. :) I think, I'll need to ivestigate more :D

You should read all item desciptions, I haven't and only learned truth about Gwyn's children by accident.

Thanks for the tip.. Tho I always read the descriptions of the items and watch the surroundings, the characters actions etc... And after that more confused I am than before xD because you can think something and all can be different seeing or thinking in the descriptions. For example Crossbreed Priscila. It's a mystery who she really is, born of whom, why she is there, what's the connection with Velka and so on.... another one is the statue with the mother and the child. Could be because I didn't played yet as you say DS III. :D I'm hyped to finish those 2 again and start that new journey :)

[LVRenars]

Originally posted by Ned:

First of all, there are no real gods in Dark Souls as we know them. The gods in Dark Souls are just powerful beings, like Gwyn, who was just a hollow before finding the First Flame, and calling himself a self-appointed God and ruler of people after gaining a powerful soul.

Gwyndolin is mad at you for breaking his illusion, because he wants the people to belief that the Gods (as in his family) is still in control in this crumbling world. He's the only one that's left that can do this. Gwyn sacrificed his soul to rekindle the fading First Flame, his siblings are who knows where, only he remained in this "forsaken city of Anor Londo".

Also the missing figure is not Gwyndolin, but I might spoil the fun of trying to find it out by yourself, but you really have to read and explore everything (and play Dark Souls 3). If you want the answer, just search Nameless King Lore on youtube.

Smough was probably real, Ornstein on the other hand is still a puzzle, and has many theories, with no real answers. But maybe that's what the creators wanted, for every player to find their own answer.

Nah Smough was illusion just like Ornstein (or maybe they were somehow resurrected), Smough died defending RUINED CATHEDRAL, and in DS1 it was NOT ruined

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