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zanezonair Aug 3, 2018 @ 1:21pm
Day 48 issue.
so it says midnight ordeal or supress the red mist. witch is super easy to do with shelter and blue star. so. can anyone tell me why geruba isnt appering on day 48 like the game says she should? thanks for any help
Originally posted by CarThief:
You have to make a few meltdowns happen first until you get to the third or fourth wave/meltdown, and only then will she appear. So, just work on some abnormalities, defeat the White Dawn and the White Noon, and she will be there, eventually.

That said, if you wish to use the shelter tactic, well... You'd have to sacrifice some employees then who will deal with the Fixers. If you need an actual battle plan for defeating her the regular way (ideally with 0 deaths), then i guess it would be something like...

Preperation: Before engaging her, dump all non-combat employees in an elevator, ideally near the Control Team. She will not pass through elevators with her Gold Rush attack, so they're safe spots ussually. Tip: With employees stacked in an elevator like this, you can essentially shield everyone for the cost of merely one bullet!

Phase 1: Send some of your tough employees to beat her up, nothing special yet, if damage is an issue, get them good anti-white armor and use red shield, or visa versa. Or give them Mimicry as weapon and a good anti-white armor? Plenty of options. If damaged enough, she uses Gold Rush, creates portals, and rushes through them dealing notable damage to anyone in the way, and typically always exiting from a portal in some main department room.

Phase 2: Same as phase one but damage is increased, no real difference in tactics from phase 1, but be careful about her spears, shield employees to prevent massive black damage. If needed, give them healing breaks before re-engaging her. Also be VERY careful about the transition to phase 3, as once her HP is depleted, she throws her weapons sideways, try and figure out which way mimciry (red DMG) and silent ochestra (white DMG) is thrown and shield accordingly the further you manage to get away from her, the more time you have to respond. Alternatively, red-shield them and if they get hit by white, just use white damage to restore their sanity. She also has a special attack during this phase where she throws Silent Ochestra's weapon to a room, then dashes towards it, doing (heavy?) damage to anyone in the way.

Phase 3: This one can be cheesed by using Blue Star's weapon on her, just stay far enough away and her Judgement slashes won't reach your employees, nor will the hammer. Careful about the spears, however, she still throws them, and they hurt. Alot. Use black shields to not die to them.
Also, before you fight her, gather up your non-combat employees and try to spread them evenly in the Control Team main room and the hallways leading to the 1st (One Sin) and 2nd abnormalities located under the big side-rooms. And keep an eye out for Gold Rush, since it can target Control Team's hallways and rooms, if you see portals there, get the employees out of there.

Phase 4: This one is where it's all or nothing... From here, she'll either...
A: Perform Gold Rush, in which you'll want to keep employees away from portals, since one slash from her can kill even ALEPH-geared employees, look for where she lands, and if it's close enough to your employees in Control Team, send them after her and hope you can kill her before she recovers. If she's too far away, just let her recover, and she'll either do Gold Rush again or go to step B.

B: She'll target an employee and chase after them. The employee will be marked identically like if Little Red was attacking them, with a red eye marker above them, try and find who is marked, put them in the central chamber of Control Team, and move everyone else into the side-hallways below the big rooms. The moment she enters the room and sees the employee she'll do an large radius attack, easily killing anyone in it. The employee's death can be avoided by letting her see the employee, but them making the employee leave the room ASAP after she starts the attack, but if that feels too risky, just let her kill the employee. After she's done attacking, she needs to recover, send them in the room to kill her, and that's that.

It's actually quite doable, if you got some ALEPH and WAW equipment. It's remarkably easy if you got alot of ALEPH equipment and fill up the rest with WAW-tier stuff. Even easier if you obtained Twilight! So fighting her is worth a try, though i'll admit i cheesed her first time too, but fighting her with the gathered-up ALEPH equipment (especially now that you can get two of each) is more fun, and more effecient.

I would suggest you simply fill every spot with a (semi-)competent employee, the more damage you can do to her at once, the better. I suppose if you where able to defeat the Claw on day 47, you should have little issue fighting her. If anything it's easier to stay at 0 deaths with her then it is with the Claw.
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CarThief Aug 3, 2018 @ 3:07pm 
You have to make a few meltdowns happen first until you get to the third or fourth wave/meltdown, and only then will she appear. So, just work on some abnormalities, defeat the White Dawn and the White Noon, and she will be there, eventually.

That said, if you wish to use the shelter tactic, well... You'd have to sacrifice some employees then who will deal with the Fixers. If you need an actual battle plan for defeating her the regular way (ideally with 0 deaths), then i guess it would be something like...

Preperation: Before engaging her, dump all non-combat employees in an elevator, ideally near the Control Team. She will not pass through elevators with her Gold Rush attack, so they're safe spots ussually. Tip: With employees stacked in an elevator like this, you can essentially shield everyone for the cost of merely one bullet!

Phase 1: Send some of your tough employees to beat her up, nothing special yet, if damage is an issue, get them good anti-white armor and use red shield, or visa versa. Or give them Mimicry as weapon and a good anti-white armor? Plenty of options. If damaged enough, she uses Gold Rush, creates portals, and rushes through them dealing notable damage to anyone in the way, and typically always exiting from a portal in some main department room.

Phase 2: Same as phase one but damage is increased, no real difference in tactics from phase 1, but be careful about her spears, shield employees to prevent massive black damage. If needed, give them healing breaks before re-engaging her. Also be VERY careful about the transition to phase 3, as once her HP is depleted, she throws her weapons sideways, try and figure out which way mimciry (red DMG) and silent ochestra (white DMG) is thrown and shield accordingly the further you manage to get away from her, the more time you have to respond. Alternatively, red-shield them and if they get hit by white, just use white damage to restore their sanity. She also has a special attack during this phase where she throws Silent Ochestra's weapon to a room, then dashes towards it, doing (heavy?) damage to anyone in the way.

Phase 3: This one can be cheesed by using Blue Star's weapon on her, just stay far enough away and her Judgement slashes won't reach your employees, nor will the hammer. Careful about the spears, however, she still throws them, and they hurt. Alot. Use black shields to not die to them.
Also, before you fight her, gather up your non-combat employees and try to spread them evenly in the Control Team main room and the hallways leading to the 1st (One Sin) and 2nd abnormalities located under the big side-rooms. And keep an eye out for Gold Rush, since it can target Control Team's hallways and rooms, if you see portals there, get the employees out of there.

Phase 4: This one is where it's all or nothing... From here, she'll either...
A: Perform Gold Rush, in which you'll want to keep employees away from portals, since one slash from her can kill even ALEPH-geared employees, look for where she lands, and if it's close enough to your employees in Control Team, send them after her and hope you can kill her before she recovers. If she's too far away, just let her recover, and she'll either do Gold Rush again or go to step B.

B: She'll target an employee and chase after them. The employee will be marked identically like if Little Red was attacking them, with a red eye marker above them, try and find who is marked, put them in the central chamber of Control Team, and move everyone else into the side-hallways below the big rooms. The moment she enters the room and sees the employee she'll do an large radius attack, easily killing anyone in it. The employee's death can be avoided by letting her see the employee, but them making the employee leave the room ASAP after she starts the attack, but if that feels too risky, just let her kill the employee. After she's done attacking, she needs to recover, send them in the room to kill her, and that's that.

It's actually quite doable, if you got some ALEPH and WAW equipment. It's remarkably easy if you got alot of ALEPH equipment and fill up the rest with WAW-tier stuff. Even easier if you obtained Twilight! So fighting her is worth a try, though i'll admit i cheesed her first time too, but fighting her with the gathered-up ALEPH equipment (especially now that you can get two of each) is more fun, and more effecient.

I would suggest you simply fill every spot with a (semi-)competent employee, the more damage you can do to her at once, the better. I suppose if you where able to defeat the Claw on day 47, you should have little issue fighting her. If anything it's easier to stay at 0 deaths with her then it is with the Claw.
Last edited by CarThief; Aug 3, 2018 @ 3:08pm
zanezonair Aug 3, 2018 @ 3:39pm 
actually its easyer to have zero deaths at the claw for me. killed him on my first try no one died. while gerubs on the other hand i tried for 3 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ days about 14 hours of playime and when i saw her 4th phase for the 3rd time i said ♥♥♥♥ it im expoliting this. so yeah im definitly doing the shelter tatic like i did on day 38 with her. and thanks. welp im not gonna be able to do the next day since i havent done hkoma's supression but whatever i want plot! anyways dude thanks. lets hope i can take on 3 fixers with a single empolyee. i should be able to sine twilight is insane
Last edited by zanezonair; Aug 3, 2018 @ 3:42pm
zanezonair Aug 3, 2018 @ 8:30pm 
frogot to mention this but rabbit team can solo the dawn and she apperes with the noon so didnt even have to take a risk. day 48 is definitly the easyest of the supressions while 47 was the hardest for me so far. having to restart my run to get to 49 though
CarThief Aug 4, 2018 @ 2:38am 
Hm, i guess you lucked out on the claw? Since his special attack GUARANTEES deaths if you don't know the method to cheese it (you send targetted people off to work in order to shake off the target), only way to prevent it from occuring is by somehow killing him from 51% HP to 0% without letting him get back up in time to use that attack.
Like, ♥♥♥♥ that attack, it's litterally unsurvivable, maybe someone in WN's anti-pale armor might have a 5% chance to survive it, at best. But everyone else dies.

Ah well, one Twilight employee should deal with the fixes easily, yeah... Though the Black Fixer can screw you over if it unleashes a particularly bad abnormality... (Like Nothing There, Blue Star, etc.) :P

Well, i guess you got a solid plan for Day 48 then, though the shelter tactic is really boring... I assume you are aware of the pattern by now? Day 47, upper-level bosses at once, Day 48, mid-level bosses at once? So that means Day 49 has the dreaded combo of Binah and not being able to pause (without deaths). This is probably the second-most aggravating unfair challange in the game (the worst being fighting a breached WN), so maybe some quick tips?

(Might as well spoiler it for now, if you don't wanna spoil day 49, or if you somehow haven't done the relevant bosses yet. I should tell you though, if you haven't done all the core supressions you cannot reach the actual ending, not until you do them all. And if you really want the truest ending you'd have to 100% all non-backer abnormalities too!)
Day 49 Tips:
-If you can defeat her, even with 40+ employees dead, do it. It's worth it (i'm not even exaggerating the anticipated death toll here, it gets crazy).
-She should appear on IV (meltdown 4?), so if you see a White Noon listed to appear on state IV, maybe consider resetting. A White Noon + Binah is no fun, no fair.
-If you have the Backwards Clock you can undo nasty escapes, once.
-Have a hit-team consisting of like 1 employee per department gathering together to chase after her while everyone else prepares to work on meltdowns.
-The Architecture department is immune to Binah's special meltdowns (but if she passes through, or pillar-blasts em, she'll still cause regular meltdowns), so you can place like 5 ALEPH-tier guys in there with the sole purpose to chase her down, if you like.
-Spread your employees into seperate rooms to minimize damage taken from Black Waves and Spikes she spawns around them.
-Do not stack multiple/many employees in elevators. The spikes/waves will stack up and kill them easily.
-Slow Bullets do WONDERS on Binah, if you got the time to apply them.
-Maybe don't engage and actively avoid her until she's vulnerable/stunned, since she may be provoked into pillaring people, and pillars cause meltdowns.
-Pause damage is reduced, so if needed you can use it sparingly. And seriously, you will WANT to pause in order to deal with meltdowns. Luckily, you're allowed to pause during phase 3 as well now even if you do take damage from doing so, where you're meant to stop her meltdown of pillars.
-And if you're having too much trouble defeating her, restart and try to build a facility that's as binah-proof as possible (avoiding nasty abnormalities, avoiding tools that need oversight, etc). It helped me alot. It's worth it if you're still having trouble, trust me.
-And to that extent, if you're given nasty abnormalities, you can open the menu in the abnormality picking section, and restart or go to main menu and re-do the day you just did, if building a safe facility for the madness ahead.

Hm, so far for quick tips, for this unfair crap you need like a freakin' guide, huh? :P
But atleast it's the final challange, once you've done it, you're in the clear...
Last edited by CarThief; Aug 4, 2018 @ 2:42am
zanezonair Aug 4, 2018 @ 7:22am 
actually for bhinah i just plan to do the first 2 phases legit from a strat on a wiki and then her third phase let the melotdowns go sheilds then destory her when she fires the pillars like i did when i supressed her. its easy and fast. though ill get to day 49 in about a week or so since i need to supress hkoma and good to know i can pause on day 49. also couldent i jsut like oh idk when the claw gets to 25% hp in about 10 seconds due to all me aleph people just put pale sheilds on everyone and attack hi mall ato nce like i did? to be fair it did kill him in another 5 seconds. anyways im typing to fast and im having tyopes and yeah i did have blue star so i let it do all the damage to geruba. since ya know shelter. anwyays thanks for all the help dude ans yeah i kinda did get him from 50% to like 0 in abotu 10 or so seconds so... yeahhhh.
Last edited by zanezonair; Aug 4, 2018 @ 7:27am
zanezonair Aug 4, 2018 @ 7:24am 
and im fine with spoilers since i got to day 49 then the game booted me back to title and somehow i got both podale and yang on the first day. and mountain on th 4th ..and somehoe broke the game even more since i had 5 abnorkalites in control team. as if having 2 scorched girls and draming currents in architecture team was not enough lol
zanezonair Aug 4, 2018 @ 7:25am 
ok im now reading your post more and i did not know i coud do that on the sleection. good to know
zanezonair Aug 4, 2018 @ 7:26am 
and i kinda already did bhina i said i did all but hkoma but yeah anyways im gonna go for real now thanks for all the help dude.
CarThief Aug 4, 2018 @ 7:56am 
Hm, not sure if that'll work on the pillar phase, isn't she downright invulnerable (and even unhittable) when casting pillars, and only ever vulnerable after dealing with all meltdowns succesfully? And you can pause on day 49, but the cost is quite painful, it'll easily kill 1-2 employees per pause (sometimes it won't kill anyone if lucky, but eh, don't count on it). Ideally you'll want to only pause in order to deal with meltdowns that Binah causes (so, about 3 times atleast, when she starts her first wave, her 2nd wave and her 3rd pillar attack wave).

And you know, the Claw does have invulnerability frames once he starts that attack, so yeah, if you're not doing incredible damage to him to kill him before he starts that attack, he will do it and nothing will interrupt it once it starts. But i guess killing him fast and skipping his unavoidable-deaths phase is a nice way of doing it yeah. Quite luck-based though.

Those glitches sound rather inconvenient too, but i guess the inevitable restart will fix that. You should probably try and make a binah-proof and safe facility though, only picking things that are easy to deal with when she's around, basically. It does freakin' wonders for dealing with how unfair Day 49 is. But i guess that'll do yeah.
zanezonair Aug 4, 2018 @ 10:37am 
Yes she is invincible but when she does the attack she becomes vunrable regardless fi you did the meltdowns or not
zanezonair Aug 4, 2018 @ 10:39am 
So all I need to kill her in 2 seconds is aleph geared people and sheilds and boom I win the game it worked on day 42 in y should work in about whenever when I get to day 49 it works for me.
Last edited by zanezonair; Aug 4, 2018 @ 10:40am
zanezonair Aug 4, 2018 @ 10:48am 
It only works on her third phase though first and seconds I have to do legit
zanezonair Aug 4, 2018 @ 10:48am 
Ignore the typoes btw I'm either typing to fast or it's auto correct
zanezonair Aug 4, 2018 @ 10:51am 
And I found that thrid phase exploit on my own by luck btw
zanezonair Aug 4, 2018 @ 10:51am 
So I find bhnah easyer than geruba overall
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