Maiden of Mayhem (new name idea)

[IconOfSin]

Here is a new name idea after the recent lawsuit.

Maiden of Mayhem

[dwtietz]

Here's a simple One:

SHIM

It might stand for "Shelly Harrison: Ion Maiden", but if that isn't specifically stated anywhere then it could be argued that it could stand for a great number of other things, or maybe it doesn't stand for anything at all. :P

Plus, Shelly could be thought of as the "shim" (or wedge) that broke up Dr. Heskel's evil plan.

[Reverendo Bizarro]

引用自 Taamalus：

引用自 Reverendo Bizarro：

Well, here's the thing. Lawyer intimidation tactics only work if the one who's on the wrong side of them is... well, intimidated.

If they keep pushing, they'll eventually have to demonstrate their claims in a court. And since their claims are pure, unadulterated ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I think they'll have a hard time if they press on.

EDIT: In case anyone is interested, this article features the lawsuit document. I've taken a look at it and it looks like something Lionel Hutz would file https://www.horrorgeeklife.com/2019/06/02/iron-maiden-sues-3d-realms-ion-maiden/

I’m not a lawyer. All I know is: never underestimate your opponent. Just, change the title of your game. It’s not that hard.

The English language has a lot of words. Will you risk losing because two words out of the massive word set are legally claimed? Keep in mind, it is not just Iron Maiden Holdings Ltd against you here, but all those record labels who have a vested interest in the well-known brand name of the music band.

1: It's not MY game. I'm not a dev nor 3D Realms staff.

2: No. ♥♥♥♥ 'em. They don't own the English language, and the game isn't called "Iron Maiden". Usage of the word "maiden" shouldn't be behind a paywall or under threat of lawsuit by some litigious piece of ♥♥♥♥ representing a band whose glory days are far behind them.

I mean, imagine Slayer (the band) suing Id Software because they renamed the Doomguy as the "Doom Slayer". Or Fall Out Boy suing Bethesda because of the Fallout series. Absurd, ain't it? This is the exact same scenario, only even more ridiculous because in no point they've used the whole "Iron Maiden" name.

[The Dukenator]

引用自 Reverendo Bizarro：

引用自 Taamalus：

I’m not a lawyer. All I know is: never underestimate your opponent. Just, change the title of your game. It’s not that hard.

The English language has a lot of words. Will you risk losing because two words out of the massive word set are legally claimed? Keep in mind, it is not just Iron Maiden Holdings Ltd against you here, but all those record labels who have a vested interest in the well-known brand name of the music band.

1: It's not MY game. I'm not a dev nor 3D Realms staff.

2: No. ♥♥♥♥ 'em. They don't own the English language, and the game isn't called "Iron Maiden". Usage of the word "maiden" shouldn't be behind a paywall or under threat of lawsuit by some litigious piece of ♥♥♥♥ representing a band whose glory days are far behind them.

I mean, imagine Slayer (the band) suing Id Software because they renamed the Doomguy as the "Doom Slayer". Or Fall Out Boy suing Bethesda because of the Fallout series. Absurd, ain't it? This is the exact same scenario, only even more ridiculous because in no point they've used the whole "Iron Maiden" name.

It does help to research when bands formed, since not all formed around the time of the game title. Besides, Fall Out Boy would've been sued by Interplay, not Bethesda, for having it similar to Vault Boy.

[Reverendo Bizarro]

引用自 The Dukenator：

It does help to research when bands formed, since not all formed around the time of the game title. Besides, Fall Out Boy would've been sued by Interplay, not Bethesda, for having it similar to Vault Boy.

The point still stands

[Erebus]

引用自 Taamalus：

引用自 Reverendo Bizarro：

Well, here's the thing. Lawyer intimidation tactics only work if the one who's on the wrong side of them is... well, intimidated.

If they keep pushing, they'll eventually have to demonstrate their claims in a court. And since their claims are pure, unadulterated ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I think they'll have a hard time if they press on.

EDIT: In case anyone is interested, this article features the lawsuit document. I've taken a look at it and it looks like something Lionel Hutz would file https://www.horrorgeeklife.com/2019/06/02/iron-maiden-sues-3d-realms-ion-maiden/

I’m not a lawyer. All I know is: never underestimate your opponent. Just, change the title of your game. It’s not that hard.

The English language has a lot of words. Will you risk losing because two words out of the massive word set are legally claimed? Keep in mind, it is not just Iron Maiden Holdings Ltd against you here, but all those record labels who have a vested interest in the well-known brand name of the music band.

If you spent 2 minutes reading anything you'd know Iron Maiden's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ claim is about more than the name.

Iron Maiden can get ♥♥♥♥♥♥, most the ♥♥♥♥ in the claim is asinine.

引用自 dwtietz：

Here's a simple One:

SHIM

It might stand for "Shelly Harrison: Ion Maiden", but if that isn't specifically stated anywhere then it could be argued that it could stand for a great number of other things, or maybe it doesn't stand for anything at all. :P

Plus, Shelly could be thought of as the "shim" (or wedge) that broke up Dr. Heskel's evil plan.

From what I've seen the claim is already acting like Shelly is based on one of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in Iron Maiden soooo how would that help?

[Taamalus]

引用自 Reverendo Bizarro：

引用自 Taamalus：

I’m not a lawyer. All I know is: never underestimate your opponent. Just, change the title of your game. It’s not that hard.

The English language has a lot of words. Will you risk losing because two words out of the massive word set are legally claimed? Keep in mind, it is not just Iron Maiden Holdings Ltd against you here, but all those record labels who have a vested interest in the well-known brand name of the music band.

1: It's not MY game. I'm not a dev nor 3D Realms staff.

2: No. ♥♥♥♥ 'em. They don't own the English language, and the game isn't called "Iron Maiden". Usage of the word "maiden" shouldn't be behind a paywall or under threat of lawsuit by some litigious piece of ♥♥♥♥ representing a band whose glory days are far behind them.

I mean, imagine Slayer (the band) suing Id Software because they renamed the Doomguy as the "Doom Slayer". Or Fall Out Boy suing Bethesda because of the Fallout series. Absurd, ain't it? This is the exact same scenario, only even more ridiculous because in no point they've used the whole "Iron Maiden" name.

Not sure where you going here.

Legal copy of the law suit, behind a paywall
https://www.offshorealert.com/iron-maiden-holdings-ltd-v-3d-realms-entertainment-aps-complaint.aspx

Simple (for business peeps like me) definitions of Trade Name/ Trademarks etc.
https://thebusinessprofessor.com/intellectual-property-law/

Try to see it from Iron Maiden Holding perspective, they do have a case.

@ Erebus - read what? 3D Realm's b.s. ? Biased game media?

Back to the topic:
Arisen Warrior.

[Erebus]

引用自 Taamalus：

Not sure where you going here.

Legal copy of the law suit, behind a paywall
https://www.offshorealert.com/iron-maiden-holdings-ltd-v-3d-realms-entertainment-aps-complaint.aspx

Simple (for business peeps like me) definitions of Trade Name/ Trademarks etc.
https://thebusinessprofessor.com/intellectual-property-law/

Try to see it from Iron Maiden Holding perspective, they do have a case.

@ Erebus - read what? 3D Realm's b.s. ? Biased game media?

Back to the topic:
Arisen Warrior.

First off linking to a paid site? Really? You've gotta be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding with that.

https://www.scribd.com/document/411932483/Ion-Maiden-Lawsuit

If you actually read the stuff half the case is hinging on their fans being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiots.

引用自 lawsuit：

"That evidence includes the fact that Defendant has exhibited its intent to trade off on the Iron Maiden mark by adopting Shelly Harrison as the name of its main character which is an attempt to copy the name of Steve Harris, an Iron Maiden founder and primary songwriter;"

Nevermind that the names aren't that close and the name itself comes from 2016's BOMBSHELL.

引用自 lawsuit：

"adopting a similar steel cut font for its Ion Maiden name knowing that Iron Maiden also uses a steel cut font for its iconic Iron Maiden mark"

Iron Maiden:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkMWIglfW5GY9-n8T80eAZvDjqZHXGDPaohYSxlOjdUhGhyuA5

Ion Maiden:
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/562860/header.jpg?t=1548209075

引用自 lawsuit：

"creating a video game that has the same look and feel as the Iron Maiden video game, “Legacy of the Beast”;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSCZFTRQpfc

引用自 lawsuit：

"and choosing to use its Ion Maiden Yellow Bomb emoji in its Ion Maiden video game and merchandise (Exhibits B and C) which is graphically similar to Iron Maiden’s Eddie character who appears in all of Iron Maiden’s video games and virtually all of Iron Maiden’s compact disc covers, t-shirts and other merchandise"

Iron Maiden Eddie: https://www.google.com/search?q=iron+maiden+eddie&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjv6qrgqdHiAhVNX60KHfQGBVwQ_AUIECgB&biw=1283&bih=1313

Ion Maiden bomb: https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/562860/header.jpg?t=1548209075

Damn... I didn't know iron maiden owned the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rights to a skull icon because of their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ zombie thing.

They even go as far as to use search engines ♥♥♥♥♥♥ auto-correct as "evidence".

The closest thing they have is the fact people are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiots that cannot read what is actually written.

引用自 lawsuit：

Defendant’s Ion Maiden name is nearly identical to the IRON MAIDEN trademark in appearance, sound and overall commercial impression.

Appearance? Nope. Sound? Maybe in a british accent... but they aren't filing the suit in the UK. Commercial impression? Only to the people that headbanged their braincells to death.

[Death Grips]

引用自 Erebus：

引用自 Taamalus：

Not sure where you going here.

Legal copy of the law suit, behind a paywall
https://www.offshorealert.com/iron-maiden-holdings-ltd-v-3d-realms-entertainment-aps-complaint.aspx

Simple (for business peeps like me) definitions of Trade Name/ Trademarks etc.
https://thebusinessprofessor.com/intellectual-property-law/

Try to see it from Iron Maiden Holding perspective, they do have a case.

@ Erebus - read what? 3D Realm's b.s. ? Biased game media?

Back to the topic:
Arisen Warrior.

First off linking to a paid site? Really? You've gotta be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding with that.

https://www.scribd.com/document/411932483/Ion-Maiden-Lawsuit

If you actually read the stuff half the case is hinging on their fans being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiots.

引用自 lawsuit：

"That evidence includes the fact that Defendant has exhibited its intent to trade off on the Iron Maiden mark by adopting Shelly Harrison as the name of its main character which is an attempt to copy the name of Steve Harris, an Iron Maiden founder and primary songwriter;"

Nevermind that the names aren't that close and the name itself comes from 2016's BOMBSHELL.

引用自 lawsuit：

"adopting a similar steel cut font for its Ion Maiden name knowing that Iron Maiden also uses a steel cut font for its iconic Iron Maiden mark"

Iron Maiden:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkMWIglfW5GY9-n8T80eAZvDjqZHXGDPaohYSxlOjdUhGhyuA5

Ion Maiden:
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/562860/header.jpg?t=1548209075

引用自 lawsuit：

"creating a video game that has the same look and feel as the Iron Maiden video game, “Legacy of the Beast”;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSCZFTRQpfc

引用自 lawsuit：

"and choosing to use its Ion Maiden Yellow Bomb emoji in its Ion Maiden video game and merchandise (Exhibits B and C) which is graphically similar to Iron Maiden’s Eddie character who appears in all of Iron Maiden’s video games and virtually all of Iron Maiden’s compact disc covers, t-shirts and other merchandise"

Iron Maiden Eddie: https://www.google.com/search?q=iron+maiden+eddie&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjv6qrgqdHiAhVNX60KHfQGBVwQ_AUIECgB&biw=1283&bih=1313

Ion Maiden bomb: https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/562860/header.jpg?t=1548209075

Damn... I didn't know iron maiden owned the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rights to a skull icon because of their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ zombie thing.

They even go as far as to use search engines ♥♥♥♥♥♥ auto-correct as "evidence".

The closest thing they have is the fact people are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiots that cannot read what is actually written.

引用自 lawsuit：

Defendant’s Ion Maiden name is nearly identical to the IRON MAIDEN trademark in appearance, sound and overall commercial impression.

Appearance? Nope. Sound? Maybe in a british accent... but they aren't filing the suit in the UK. Commercial impression? Only to the people that headbanged their braincells to death.

This sums things up pretty damn well, and I would encourage anyone trying to understand the situation to look at these comparisons. The allegations made in the lawsuit are absolute rubbish, and such becomes immediately apparent when you actually look at comparisons like these.

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

This lawsuit looks to be a complete joke (like Erebus pointed out Ion Maiden comes from the spiritual prequel Bombshell so obviously little research was done). I just hope the devs behind Ion Maiden have enough cash in case this thing gets dragged out.

And no, Maiden of Mayhem wouldn't be any better (because lawyers can smell money from a mile away and there's just as good a chance the word mayhem could be used against them. In my opinion they should stick to their guns and fight this silly lawsuit... showing the world what a dying, irrelevant metal band looks like.

[Reverendo Bizarro]

引用自 Erebus：

引用自 Taamalus：

Not sure where you going here.

Legal copy of the law suit, behind a paywall
https://www.offshorealert.com/iron-maiden-holdings-ltd-v-3d-realms-entertainment-aps-complaint.aspx

Simple (for business peeps like me) definitions of Trade Name/ Trademarks etc.
https://thebusinessprofessor.com/intellectual-property-law/

Try to see it from Iron Maiden Holding perspective, they do have a case.

@ Erebus - read what? 3D Realm's b.s. ? Biased game media?

Back to the topic:
Arisen Warrior.

First off linking to a paid site? Really? You've gotta be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding with that.

https://www.scribd.com/document/411932483/Ion-Maiden-Lawsuit

If you actually read the stuff half the case is hinging on their fans being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiots.

引用自 lawsuit：

"That evidence includes the fact that Defendant has exhibited its intent to trade off on the Iron Maiden mark by adopting Shelly Harrison as the name of its main character which is an attempt to copy the name of Steve Harris, an Iron Maiden founder and primary songwriter;"

Nevermind that the names aren't that close and the name itself comes from 2016's BOMBSHELL.

引用自 lawsuit：

"adopting a similar steel cut font for its Ion Maiden name knowing that Iron Maiden also uses a steel cut font for its iconic Iron Maiden mark"

Iron Maiden:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkMWIglfW5GY9-n8T80eAZvDjqZHXGDPaohYSxlOjdUhGhyuA5

Ion Maiden:
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/562860/header.jpg?t=1548209075

引用自 lawsuit：

"creating a video game that has the same look and feel as the Iron Maiden video game, “Legacy of the Beast”;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSCZFTRQpfc

引用自 lawsuit：

"and choosing to use its Ion Maiden Yellow Bomb emoji in its Ion Maiden video game and merchandise (Exhibits B and C) which is graphically similar to Iron Maiden’s Eddie character who appears in all of Iron Maiden’s video games and virtually all of Iron Maiden’s compact disc covers, t-shirts and other merchandise"

Iron Maiden Eddie: https://www.google.com/search?q=iron+maiden+eddie&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjv6qrgqdHiAhVNX60KHfQGBVwQ_AUIECgB&biw=1283&bih=1313

Ion Maiden bomb: https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/562860/header.jpg?t=1548209075

Damn... I didn't know iron maiden owned the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rights to a skull icon because of their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ zombie thing.

They even go as far as to use search engines ♥♥♥♥♥♥ auto-correct as "evidence".

The closest thing they have is the fact people are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiots that cannot read what is actually written.

引用自 lawsuit：

Defendant’s Ion Maiden name is nearly identical to the IRON MAIDEN trademark in appearance, sound and overall commercial impression.

Appearance? Nope. Sound? Maybe in a british accent... but they aren't filing the suit in the UK. Commercial impression? Only to the people that headbanged their braincells to death.

Yeah, that was pretty much what I meant when I said this looked like something Lionel Hutz would file.

[Tayzor Azul]

引用自 The Dukenator：

引用自 Reverendo Bizarro：

Never played Bombshell, is it really that bad?

Anyway, name suggestions...

G.D.F. maybe? As in the name of the force where the main character works?

Bombshell is to be getting a 1.3 update.

GDF is a different division of EDF.

Still believe in that fairy tale patch mate ? I do not anymore.
3 years ! And nothing but words. And you know what they say talk is cheap, take action !

[Tayzor Azul]

引用自 Zak-Del：

引用自 Tayzor Azul：

Still believe in that fairy tale patch mate ? I do not anymore.
3 years ! And nothing but words. And you know what they say talk is cheap, take action !

Oh man, i completely forgot about that update. And yeah, i dont think its coming anymore.

Careful someone might copy/paste another 3dRealms discord message. Saying they are still hot on work on that 1.3

[Erebus]

I can't imagine Bombshell getting a patch when it never even gets discounts in sales anymore. When stuff stops getting any promos at all it seems like publishers trying to sweep it under the rug.

[Da Atte]

引用自 Erebus：

引用自 IconOfSin：

Here is a new name idea after the recent lawsuit.

Maiden of Mayhem

https://store.steampowered.com/app/304530/Agents_of_Mayhem/

I doubt that Deep Silver cares for "of Mayhem" suffix in games since Agents of Mayhem didn't sell that well.

[Erebus]

引用自 Da Atte：

引用自 Erebus：

https://store.steampowered.com/app/304530/Agents_of_Mayhem/

I doubt they really care for "of Mayhem" suffix in games since Agents of Mayhem didn't sell that well.

I linked more so as a "who would want to be associated with that" type deal.