how do I overcome this wall I hit

[mmdcoap]

i am at 1.85e63 diamonds, have the research maxed, all midas buildings maxed, 25900% epic upgrades and 9 legendary items with 130 viod crystals saved up.
what do I need to focus on to make progress

[Elenoe]

epic upgrades overkill :)

now you need to buy all 12 items + get 1000 crystals. Then spend 1500 saved red gems for void effect upgrades and you may continue. Not really much reason to progress without it.

I've made a small push at 600 crystals for felice and that x1000 knowledge upgrade and then used it for lvl 65 upgrades to save time later. Now I'm back at waiting. 120 crystals left. No point to have Felice, so I'm back with Felix (0 progress with both really) to get clicker achievement.

[Nico]

I have only e58 gems and lready 10 legendary items.For now you should stop pushing forward and try to get more void crystals and blue stones/red gems to be able to buy the void power upgrades when you hit the 1000 void crystals.
Sometimes you have to idle to build up multipliers to move forward. and yes, your epic upgrade bonus is pretty big already, so no need to boost it further for now, you can use the red gems better for the void upgrades.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

epic upgrades overkill :)

like ubgrade's Kame Hame Ha XD

[Death2Gnomes]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

epic upgrades overkill :)

now you need to buy all 12 items + get 1000 crystals. Then spend 1500 saved red gems for void effect upgrades and you may continue. Not really much reason to progress without it.

I've made a small push at 600 crystals for felice and that x1000 knowledge upgrade and then used it for lvl 65 upgrades to save time later. Now I'm back at waiting. 120 crystals left. No point to have Felice, so I'm back with Felix (0 progress with both really) to get clicker achievement.

I agree with this. idle points are hard to relax at.

you dont need 25k% epic and 5-6k% is enough until after War Outpost.. Its a flat out waste of red gems, red gems you could use to bring up void percentages.

So take this time to save up loot sets for WO, about 1250-1500 is a good start.

This game separates those that really are smart and those that think they are smart.

[kdg977]

"This game separates those that really are smart and those that think they are smart."

I'm confused. How does the game do this? Obviously I'm missing something because I can't see any way to know ahead of time that a 5-6k multiplier is going to be enough for a good long while. Sure, some players go to the wiki and follow the advice there, but using other people's experience hardly separates the actually smart from the pretenders. So, like I said, I'm confused by your comment. Unless, of course, I'm misjudging which group you think qualifies as the really smart.

[Elenoe]

Originally posted by kdg977:

I'm confused. How does the game do this?

yeah, it doesn't really. It's optimization strategy game. It values patience and discipline, like any strategy game.

Honestly.. "looking at wiki" (more likely "learning from others experience") is part of it for me. Using known info, create your own strategy and follow it despite the urge to do something reckless. If it works, share with others, so others may build on it and find even better way.. and so on.

The very first layer is to prefer long term gains over short term ones. And some people consider that as "being smart" while it's more like "common sense" because all these games are like that.

[Death2Gnomes]

Originally posted by kdg977:

"This game separates those that really are smart and those that think they are smart."

I'm confused. How does the game do this? Obviously I'm missing something because I can't see any way to know ahead of time that a 5-6k multiplier is going to be enough for a good long while. Sure, some players go to the wiki and follow the advice there, but using other people's experience hardly separates the actually smart from the pretenders. So, like I said, I'm confused by your comment. Unless, of course, I'm misjudging which group you think qualifies as the really smart.

using common sense, one would ascertain that line is nothing more than "bait". FISH ON!

[richttaylor]

Tried using accumulated loot with a loot burning build and went almost no where..

So.. I've been using the last week or so of the same wall to change to a pillager build and have one item and a little bit to go (have 100/120 saved up for the 11th item) and then 1k void to save up so I can build up the multiplier with stocked up gems.

Really far ahead with red gems due to hanging on tightly and progressing relatively slowly, 2900 saved up so far.

[Malakauth]

Wow, that's a nice number of reds. I'm at 1300-1400 right now myself (started playing at the end of February).

[sfnhltb]

Originally posted by richttaylor:

Tried using accumulated loot with a loot burning build and went almost no where..

So.. I've been using the last week or so of the same wall to change to a pillager build and have one item and a little bit to go (have 100/120 saved up for the 11th item) and then 1k void to save up so I can build up the multiplier with stocked up gems.

Really far ahead with red gems due to hanging on tightly and progressing relatively slowly, 2900 saved up so far.

Is that just reds, or reds + blues converted to reds? I have 10k blues but only 600 actual reds, as I wasn't sure if we would need blues again (like for trading raid loots).

[Elenoe]

converted. There is no need for blues themselves.

[richttaylor]

Originally posted by sfnhltb:

Originally posted by richttaylor:

Tried using accumulated loot with a loot burning build and went almost no where..

So.. I've been using the last week or so of the same wall to change to a pillager build and have one item and a little bit to go (have 100/120 saved up for the 11th item) and then 1k void to save up so I can build up the multiplier with stocked up gems.

Really far ahead with red gems due to hanging on tightly and progressing relatively slowly, 2900 saved up so far.

Is that just reds, or reds + blues converted to reds? I have 10k blues but only 600 actual reds, as I wasn't sure if we would need blues again (like for trading raid loots).

I have 2,600 converted and another 1,500 that aren't converted. With the current hands off approach I'm a little behind on converting. Usually keep around 500 that aren't converted for when I might need to even out my raid loot numbers.

[Malakauth]

At this point, I'm going to sit on my blue stones until I have the 1000 void crystals, just in case the new update does something that happens to require them.