Will my choices matter? [SPOILERS FOR FIRST GAME]

[Quattro Bacheema]

All of the choices didn't matter in the first game because of the storm in the end. Will choices matter here?

[DocV]

"Illusion of choice"

[azfalt]

All choises mattered in the first game aswell, diferent outcome in dialouge and happenings during gameplay depending on your own choise.
Little things sometimes dont get notised, did you ever chek any ofthe text msg's in game? the journal is also a nice thing to read for keeping record of what changes your choise made in the curent playthrugh.

[Quattro Bacheema]

Originally posted by azfalt:

All choises mattered in the first game aswell, diferent outcome in dialouge and happenings during gameplay depending on your own choise.
Little things sometimes dont get notised, did you ever chek ay ofthe text msg's in game? the journal is also a nice thing to read for keeping record of what changes your choise made in the curent playthrugh.

My problem is that none of that mattered in the grand scheme of things as either

A) the Chloe dies
or
B) Everyone else dies

meaning that either way a lot of the choices will be rendered moot at the end. Kind of like Mass Effect 3

[elsie]

Originally posted by azfalt:

All choises mattered in the first game aswell, diferent outcome in dialouge and happenings during gameplay depending on your own choise.
Little things sometimes dont get notised, did you ever chek any ofthe text msg's in game? the journal is also a nice thing to read for keeping record of what changes your choise made in the curent playthrugh.

i think he means the choices didn't matter because we only had two endings (bae or bay) regardless of the decisions we made.

i'm gunna say BtS will do the same especially since we all know what happens to rachel. unless they decide to do something different..... still it's all about the journey and not the destination right?

[elsie]

Originally posted by DovahCheese:

Originally posted by azfalt:

meaning that either way a lot of the choices will be rendered moot at the end. Kind of like Mass Effect 3

*TRIGGERED*

[elsie]

darn it. i put myself in a quote.

[Quattro Bacheema]

Originally posted by Taylor:

Originally posted by azfalt:

All choises mattered in the first game aswell, diferent outcome in dialouge and happenings during gameplay depending on your own choise.
Little things sometimes dont get notised, did you ever chek any ofthe text msg's in game? the journal is also a nice thing to read for keeping record of what changes your choise made in the curent playthrugh.

i think he means the choices didn't matter because we only had two endings (bae or bay) regardless of the decisions we made.

i'm gunna say BtS will do the same especially since we all know what happens to rachel. unless they decide to do something different..... still it's all about the journey and not the destination right?

eh.. something like that. I play mostly for the pay off.

I mean if i didn't want my choices to matter in the grand scheme of things, i'd just stick to real life

[SE Toby]

Please spoiler tag your post or it will be deleted.

[Quattro Bacheema]

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[Geressen]

if your opinion is that choices do not matter because the destination doesn't change why are you even taking the journey?

[NoKi]

No they won't matter because Rachel Amber dies

same logic right?

[Baosas]

Wait and see. It'd be convenient to just trim everything down into some very binary choices, but here's hoping.

And #11 has a point - some of the plot points being set in stone doesn't help.

[Zorlond]

Originally posted by DovahCheese:

My problem is that none of that mattered in the grand scheme of things as either

Ah yes, the 'grand scheme' argument. It's a fallacy, by the simple fact that us limited individual human beings can't see the 'grand scheme' one way or another. We can't comprehend it, it's too damn big. We -might- be able to figure it out, if we had hundreds of years to really focus on it, but thanks to history being written by winners, even that's unlikely. Even if we did live hundreds of years.

Is the 'grand scheme' altered in any way by our individual existences and experiences? Maybe yes, maybe no. We can't know for sure. And not knowing for sure is the ultimate point of it all.

[Quattro Bacheema]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Originally posted by DovahCheese:

My problem is that none of that mattered in the grand scheme of things as either

Ah yes, the 'grand scheme' argument. It's a fallacy, by the simple fact that us limited individual human beings can't see the 'grand scheme' one way or another. We can't comprehend it, it's too damn big. We -might- be able to figure it out, if we had hundreds of years to really focus on it, but thanks to history being written by winners, even that's unlikely. Even if we did live hundreds of years.

Is the 'grand scheme' altered in any way by our individual existences and experiences? Maybe yes, maybe no. We can't know for sure. And not knowing for sure is the ultimate point of it all.

The point is that games are supposed to be escapism, not to mirror reality. As i have said earlier, when i play a game where it was tagged "CHOICES MATTER" i want the ending to reflect all my choices, not the last 2. If i wanted to be insignificant, i wouldn't be playing games

[Zorlond]

Originally posted by DovahCheese:

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Ah yes, the 'grand scheme' argument. It's a fallacy, by the simple fact that us limited individual human beings can't see the 'grand scheme' one way or another. We can't comprehend it, it's too damn big. We -might- be able to figure it out, if we had hundreds of years to really focus on it, but thanks to history being written by winners, even that's unlikely. Even if we did live hundreds of years.

Is the 'grand scheme' altered in any way by our individual existences and experiences? Maybe yes, maybe no. We can't know for sure. And not knowing for sure is the ultimate point of it all.

The point is that games are supposed to be escapism, not to mirror reality. As i have said earlier, when i play a game where it was tagged "CHOICES MATTER" i want the ending to reflect all my choices, not the last 2. If i wanted to be insignificant, i wouldn't be playing games

The flaw in your logic is that you're assuming insignificance.

If you start from that point, then you start from a position of failure, trying to build up towards success. My point is that this is exactly as flawed as assuming the opposite, that everything choice made will result in earth-shattering consequence (good or ill). You can't know which is reality, be it actual reality or escapism, because of your vastly limited perceptions. Hell, even using the word 'perceptions' already triggers this logical fallacy for some people, as they treat 'perception' as a synonym for 'wrong' or 'flawed'.

Just stop trying to define your choices as significant or not. You're not going to find a satisfactory answer either way.