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m3 Mar 19, 2024 @ 12:10pm
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Ive seen several people talk bad about the games anti cheat
why do they use it if its a bad one (im considering getting it but people have just said its malware)
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Squirrely Wrath Mar 19, 2024 @ 1:00pm 
an anticheat that is not preventing cheaters, has full privileges to your hardware, must be uninstalled seperatly and is more than a hassle doing so, runs in the background invisible for your task manager.

now imagein the wrong people for example those who currently hack lobbies etc feel a bit spicy and shut down your cpu cooling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfPE5lKy1E this video explains it probably a bit better
Thomas Anderson Mar 19, 2024 @ 1:20pm 
Also, the recent APEX hack perfectly demonstrated the dangers of installing an application with ring 0 access to your machine.

Now, some people are going to come in and say 'It's been proven that EAC wasn't at fault' (Hint: It certainly wasn't) and that's debatable since all you have is the word folks who have a vested interest in making sure EAC doesn't appear broken.

Nevertheless, the back door to allow remote code execution was the very first thing on everyone's mind. That's why that was the first thing everyone asked and the first thing everyone checked. Because it's the primary risk.

Let's not forget that the anti-cheat didn't do the one thing it was supposed to do: Prevent cheats.

The issues demonstrated from the APEX hack are exactly the issues you're at risk at if you play Helldivers 2.

And not to beat a dead horse, but you could be doing everything right and SOMEONE ELSE can enter your game with cheats and ruin your progression. It's happening all over the place at the moment with no mitigation from GameGuard.
Last edited by Thomas Anderson; Mar 19, 2024 @ 1:21pm
bbrainstormer Mar 19, 2024 @ 1:46pm 
Eh, this has all the info you need
https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/2/4206994023681304166/
Probably don't bother with the comments though
IndianaJones Mar 19, 2024 @ 2:02pm 
Originally posted by m3:
Ive seen several people talk bad about the games anti cheat.
why do they use it if its a bad one (im considering getting it but people have just said its malware)

Most of the people who say that don't even own the game.
Alike 3 persons above this post. :steamhappy:

GameGuard is not a malware. It is kernel level driver that can potentially conflict with some software you have installed.
You have 2 hours refund window on Steam to check that.

It have potential conflicts with custom USB controllers, like Corsair Commander Pro fan controllers or some less popular headphones with USB sound card.

Unfortunately people can post all sort of nonsense crap over internet without even knowing what they blab about.

Here are some malware scan reports from multiple AV vendors. GameGurad is clean. Not even tagged as potentially unwanted program (PUP).

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file-analysis/YmMwMWNmZmNlYTk4MDAwZDUxNzRjNjFlMTU0ZjlkOWY6MTcxMDgwNTAxNA==

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/9cf874913836bf8d93d0398d6b9cd281d899c5bd490dead10dee336a324715a4


People talk sh!t here about GameGuard, cos they think it will impact Devs decision to use it, and that they will switch to different anti-cheat.
It is not gonna happen. This game sold 9,3 million copies (estimated value by VG insights), and only handful of people have some issues with GameGuard, like 1% - 2%.
Last edited by IndianaJones; Mar 19, 2024 @ 2:07pm
Thomas Anderson Mar 19, 2024 @ 2:16pm 
Originally posted by Thomas Anderson:
Also, the recent APEX hack perfectly demonstrated the dangers of installing an application with ring 0 access to your machine.

Now, some people are going to come in and say 'It's been proven that EAC wasn't at fault' (Hint: It certainly wasn't) and that's debatable since all you have is the word folks who have a vested interest in making sure EAC doesn't appear broken.

Nevertheless, the back door to allow remote code execution was the very first thing on everyone's mind. That's why that was the first thing everyone asked and the first thing everyone checked. Because it's the primary risk.

Let's not forget that the anti-cheat didn't do the one thing it was supposed to do: Prevent cheats.

The issues demonstrated from the APEX hack are exactly the issues you're at risk at if you play Helldivers 2.

And not to beat a dead horse, but you could be doing everything right and SOMEONE ELSE can enter your game with cheats and ruin your progression. It's happening all over the place at the moment with no mitigation from GameGuard.

Just to add: while the 'good apples' are being punished by being forced to install rootkit malware, the cheaters are out there dripping all over the rest of us:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bitoeo/new_skin/

Edit: Looks like the reddit mods removed the post, but it's a cheater with access to new skins, new titles, new weapons and new strategems.

malware /măl′wâr″/
noun
-Malicious computer software that interferes with normal computer functions or sends personal data about the user to unauthorized parties over the Internet.

-Software which has been designed to operate in a malicious, undesirable manner.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
Last edited by Thomas Anderson; Mar 19, 2024 @ 2:26pm
★ ace ★ Mar 19, 2024 @ 4:20pm 
no one cares... people have moved on... you should too...
Averath Mar 19, 2024 @ 6:05pm 
Originally posted by Deadlock:
Originally posted by m3:
Ive seen several people talk bad about the games anti cheat.
why do they use it if its a bad one (im considering getting it but people have just said its malware)

Most of the people who say that don't even own the game.
Alike 3 persons above this post. :steamhappy:

GameGuard is not a malware. It is kernel level driver that can potentially conflict with some software you have installed.
You have 2 hours refund window on Steam to check that.

It have potential conflicts with custom USB controllers, like Corsair Commander Pro fan controllers or some less popular headphones with USB sound card.

Unfortunately people can post all sort of nonsense crap over internet without even knowing what they blab about.

Here are some malware scan reports from multiple AV vendors. GameGurad is clean. Not even tagged as potentially unwanted program (PUP).

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file-analysis/YmMwMWNmZmNlYTk4MDAwZDUxNzRjNjFlMTU0ZjlkOWY6MTcxMDgwNTAxNA==

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/9cf874913836bf8d93d0398d6b9cd281d899c5bd490dead10dee336a324715a4


People talk sh!t here about GameGuard, cos they think it will impact Devs decision to use it, and that they will switch to different anti-cheat.
It is not gonna happen. This game sold 9,3 million copies (estimated value by VG insights), and only handful of people have some issues with GameGuard, like 1% - 2%.

Not owning a game has nothing to do with knowledge about a third party program.

While nPGG is not malware, it is nevertheless a security risk. You're willingly adding an additional backdoor to your system for a PvE experience. And it doesn't even do the one job it is supposed to do. So if it cannot accomplish that, what is the benefit of installing another backdoor into your system?
Caduryn Mar 19, 2024 @ 6:12pm 
Originally posted by bbrainstormer:
Eh, this has all the info you need
https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/2/4206994023681304166/
Probably don't bother with the comments though
Thats 80% not valid info but a spam list of everything anyone could wrote, including blatantly lies and desinformation.

OP didnt prove-checked anything, just blindly copy/paste everything he found.
Astronimo Mar 19, 2024 @ 10:43pm 
1) It's a kernel level AC. Which means it has the same access as Windows. The problem is not the Data breach (that part is a death setnence for Sony and AC developer), but rather that it can mess up you system because it can try to access the data that isn't supposed to be accessed outside of Windows.
2) nProtect works fine only with active cheats. Any memory swap still there (stuff like max samples, 1000000000health or access to unreleased stuff that is in the game files).

No, hackers can't access through it into your PC, unless it's a Data Breach, but look at part 1.

Also it's absolutely NOT needed here. It's a layer on unpredictability to your system while you are playing the game. For absolutely no reason (well, reason is Super credits, but it should have been stored at their servers anyway).
Last edited by Astronimo; Mar 19, 2024 @ 10:45pm
Infected Mushroom Mar 19, 2024 @ 11:20pm 
Originally posted by Deadlock:
Originally posted by m3:
Ive seen several people talk bad about the games anti cheat.
why do they use it if its a bad one (im considering getting it but people have just said its malware)

Most of the people who say that don't even own the game.
Alike 3 persons above this post. :steamhappy:

GameGuard is not a malware. It is kernel level driver that can potentially conflict with some software you have installed.
You have 2 hours refund window on Steam to check that.

It have potential conflicts with custom USB controllers, like Corsair Commander Pro fan controllers or some less popular headphones with USB sound card.

Unfortunately people can post all sort of nonsense crap over internet without even knowing what they blab about.

Here are some malware scan reports from multiple AV vendors. GameGurad is clean. Not even tagged as potentially unwanted program (PUP).

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file-analysis/YmMwMWNmZmNlYTk4MDAwZDUxNzRjNjFlMTU0ZjlkOWY6MTcxMDgwNTAxNA==

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/9cf874913836bf8d93d0398d6b9cd281d899c5bd490dead10dee336a324715a4


People talk sh!t here about GameGuard, cos they think it will impact Devs decision to use it, and that they will switch to different anti-cheat.
It is not gonna happen. This game sold 9,3 million copies (estimated value by VG insights), and only handful of people have some issues with GameGuard, like 1% - 2%.
It is malware
You're literally installing a ring-0 anti cheat that does nothing to prevent cheating, but opens you to malicious attacks.

Just look at the farce going on with apex legends right now.
Astronimo Mar 19, 2024 @ 11:41pm 
Originally posted by Infected Mushroom:
Originally posted by Deadlock:

Most of the people who say that don't even own the game.
Alike 3 persons above this post. :steamhappy:

GameGuard is not a malware. It is kernel level driver that can potentially conflict with some software you have installed.
You have 2 hours refund window on Steam to check that.

It have potential conflicts with custom USB controllers, like Corsair Commander Pro fan controllers or some less popular headphones with USB sound card.

Unfortunately people can post all sort of nonsense crap over internet without even knowing what they blab about.

Here are some malware scan reports from multiple AV vendors. GameGurad is clean. Not even tagged as potentially unwanted program (PUP).

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file-analysis/YmMwMWNmZmNlYTk4MDAwZDUxNzRjNjFlMTU0ZjlkOWY6MTcxMDgwNTAxNA==

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/9cf874913836bf8d93d0398d6b9cd281d899c5bd490dead10dee336a324715a4


People talk sh!t here about GameGuard, cos they think it will impact Devs decision to use it, and that they will switch to different anti-cheat.
It is not gonna happen. This game sold 9,3 million copies (estimated value by VG insights), and only handful of people have some issues with GameGuard, like 1% - 2%.
It is malware
You're literally installing a ring-0 anti cheat that does nothing to prevent cheating, but opens you to malicious attacks.

Just look at the farce going on with apex legends right now.
Stop that BS. Apex's issue is with the OLD SOURCE ENGINE exploit, that was fixed in the Source engine, but Respawn used a custom version so didn't patch it.
EAC doesn't have that exploit.

Not saying that i'm fine with anything with kernel access outside of windows/drivers, but any hate towards AC should be justified.
Last edited by Astronimo; Mar 19, 2024 @ 11:42pm
Caduryn Mar 20, 2024 @ 1:00am 
Originally posted by Infected Mushroom:
Originally posted by Deadlock:

Most of the people who say that don't even own the game.
Alike 3 persons above this post. :steamhappy:

GameGuard is not a malware. It is kernel level driver that can potentially conflict with some software you have installed.
You have 2 hours refund window on Steam to check that.

It have potential conflicts with custom USB controllers, like Corsair Commander Pro fan controllers or some less popular headphones with USB sound card.

Unfortunately people can post all sort of nonsense crap over internet without even knowing what they blab about.

Here are some malware scan reports from multiple AV vendors. GameGurad is clean. Not even tagged as potentially unwanted program (PUP).

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file-analysis/YmMwMWNmZmNlYTk4MDAwZDUxNzRjNjFlMTU0ZjlkOWY6MTcxMDgwNTAxNA==

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/9cf874913836bf8d93d0398d6b9cd281d899c5bd490dead10dee336a324715a4


People talk sh!t here about GameGuard, cos they think it will impact Devs decision to use it, and that they will switch to different anti-cheat.
It is not gonna happen. This game sold 9,3 million copies (estimated value by VG insights), and only handful of people have some issues with GameGuard, like 1% - 2%.
It is malware
You're literally installing a ring-0 anti cheat that does nothing to prevent cheating, but opens you to malicious attacks.

Just look at the farce going on with apex legends right now.
Yeah.... just LOOK at it...and get smarter...

https://youtu.be/-1zxjGxpnqA



Hint:
To 99% it wasnt EAC
IndianaJones Mar 20, 2024 @ 2:25am 
Originally posted by Infected Mushroom:
It is malware
You're literally installing a ring-0 anti cheat that does nothing to prevent cheating, but opens you to malicious attacks.

Just look at the farce going on with apex legends right now.

Lol, have your jester award, you earned it.

Anti-cheat to be even remotely effective needs low level access to your system to block cheats.

You could have keyboard hook or some virtual driver at Ring 1, so how would anti-cheat block it, if it was running at user-space Ring 3? It wouldn't...

And this is like the simplest case. There are more sophisticated methods of cheating, which I'm not interested at all, so I'm not the right person to ask, but you can see the point of anti-cheat running at Ring 0 even on this simple example.

And yes, GameGuard block cheats.
It blocks:
AutoHothey - macros e.g. stratagem cheats, more sophisticated are weapons fire alternations, or recoil removal.
Reshade - it can access to graphic pipeline and inject custom DDLs. Helldivers 2 is not PvP, but Reshade in general could give you advantage in such games.

I hope +999 samples drop and infinite stratagems cheats will be fixed soon.

Not a single anti-cheat software is or ever will be 100% effective.

It's a 'cat & mouse play', where cheat Devs implement new sh!t and game Devs try to counter it.
Sometimes one side is winning and sometimes the other. It's like their own meta-game.

Selling paid and custom cheats, and not the public rubbish that will make you instantly banned, is supposedly a big business I heard.

And game Devs are interested in blocking cheats, since active cheats brings Bad PR around the game and hurt game's sales.
Also if cheating was rampant, then players base would shrink significantly. That would result in dead game or almost dead game, and low or no sales on DLCs or MTXs.
Last edited by IndianaJones; Mar 20, 2024 @ 2:38am
Kyle Mar 20, 2024 @ 7:05am 
Not complaining about kernel level AC. Any of the ones that have a chance of working are.

That doesn’t mean it achieves 100% success. So it begs comparison between the options.

This one is made by a weird old Korean company, that has a reputation for issues. It is capable of causing hardware failures, even if by accident. Still technically possible.

It won’t stop hackers from bricking your save by maxing resources. One of the first things DRG devs thought of when they added mods, you need to actually back up the save data. It will always have a higher success rate than any AC.

So it can potentially cause hardware issues to a far greater degree than any other AC on the market, while not being able to protect your gameplay experience.

I would take the AC with lower likelihood to harm my PC, while not being able to protect my gameplay experience, SO they bother to add in save backups.

That is the optimal solution. Ignoring people that have issues is blind consumerism. Always opt for the best solution for us consumers, not what the company chose.
Thomas Anderson Mar 20, 2024 @ 7:17am 
Originally posted by Astronimo:
EAC doesn't have that exploit.

Just wanted to touch on this. Whether RCE was the fault of the anticheat or Apex's application, it's a lose-lose for the anticheat. EAC had one job - it did not do this job.

GG on the other hand, most definitely has an exploit and it is officially documented with a demonstrable proof of concept and is without a standing resolution.
Last edited by Thomas Anderson; Mar 20, 2024 @ 8:01am
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