Want to buy, held back by Gameguard

[Plissken]

I'm very intruiged about this game. I wasn't hyped when it was announced. I didn't have too much to say about the first installment other than me and friends played a couple of hours and didn't go beyond that.

But after seeing gameplay, community love and what not.. I'm sold.
Except, not quite.

Gameguard has to go. I've never been held back by anticheats. Maybe had an opinion on strenght on one, but this worries me.
Me and my friends really want to sink our teeth into this. Hell the price is even pretty okay considering on how other prices are these days.

But please, do switch to another anticheat. It would mean alot.

[Jharets]

Kleo ツ eredeti hozzászólása:

Jharets eredeti hozzászólása:

♥♥♥♥♥ not kernal it closes when the game opens

https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/2/4206994023681287288/

You're smart, I can tell.

ok lets say ♥♥♥♥♥ rootkit, well you're using steam, and hanime all of us are getting milked dry lmfao

[Ojama]

★ ace ★ eredeti hozzászólása:

helzminion eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm in the same boat. Super interested in this game, however, I won't purchase with this super intrusive anti-cheat. Particularly since it's already coming to light, that the anti cheat, isn't keeping people from cheating.

I'm not sure you understand how an anti-cheat functions, it's purpose isn't to eliminate cheating rather it only mitigates it. If the anti-cheat is as simple as downloading a cheat-engine perhaps you should be looking at the individuals that use these programs. I would have a strong suspicion that integrity is something that is a foreign concept to them... :cupup::cuphead:

"The anti-cheat isnt actually an "anti-cheat" It wont stop cheaters even though thats what it is CALLED. Just install it and forget about it! Give it unlimited access to your PC and all of the data on it, for nothing!"

[AUTI5T1X]

Jharets eredeti hozzászólása:

Kleo ツ eredeti hozzászólása:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/2/4206994023681287288/

You're smart, I can tell.

ok lets say ♥♥♥♥♥ rootkit, well you're using steam, and hanime all of us are getting milked dry lmfao

You really need to educate yourself, rather than act like a know it all whilst spreading easily debunked misinformation...

[ZTEQ]

The thing that really turn me off with GG in particular is I keep reading it can't be completely removed from PC when uninstalling, and that it stays on your system in some fashion indefinitely until a clean drive format. This is not acceptable to me if that's the case, but I can't seem to get a straight answer on the issue.

I can find dozens of posts saying you can fully uninstall and the same number saying you can't fully uninstall as the software changes registry and even the specific uninstall tool will leave some of the program behind that can cause performance issues for your PC going forward.

I don't like EAC either or any number of other anti-cheats, but I feel pretty confident that when I uninstall the game that I can also fully uninstall the anticheat at the same time and it doesn't just lurk on my system. I have the most experience with EAC (elden ring) and it's never caused me issues nor have I ever had trouble fully uninstalling.

I just don't understand why a modern game such as this is using some outdated AC with an extremely bad reputation when there are numberous other options out there that appear like the better option with 5 minutes of research.

[Essedus]

I've been playing HD1 because I don't want GG on my machine. I had it on an old computer many years ago from a different game and it caused huge problems. Everyone I've encountered playing HD1 who mentions HD2 says they are playing 1 because they don't want GG on their computers.

[Tahl]

User level anti cheat has roughly the same effect on the security theater with none of the increased risk to users.
Its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ video game. There is nothing wrong with showing interesting, stating an issue with measurable risks, then moving on to play one of the million other titles around.

[Kleo ツ]

ZTEQ eredeti hozzászólása:

The thing that really turn me off with GG in particular is I keep reading it can't be completely removed from PC when uninstalling, and that it stays on your system in some fashion indefinitely until a clean drive format. This is not acceptable to me if that's the case, but I can't seem to get a straight answer on the issue.

I can find dozens of posts saying you can fully uninstall and the same number saying you can't fully uninstall as the software changes registry and even the specific uninstall tool will leave some of the program behind that can cause performance issues for your PC going forward.

I don't like EAC either or any number of other anti-cheats, but I feel pretty confident that when I uninstall the game that I can also fully uninstall the anticheat at the same time and it doesn't just lurk on my system. I have the most experience with EAC (elden ring) and it's never caused me issues nor have I ever had trouble fully uninstalling.

I just don't understand why a modern game such as this is using some outdated AC with an extremely bad reputation when there are numberous other options out there that appear like the better option with 5 minutes of research.

The people claiming it just uninstalls and that there are no processes running once uninstalled have no clue what rootkits are capable of.

If you want a straight answer it again boils down to risk. With the permissions you're providing to a rootkit like NPGG, which is basically allowing them to share ownership of your PC, if they wanted to and I'm not saying this is confirmed BUT if they wanted to at the kernal level APIs could be freely modified in order to mask the presence of malicious code. Those saying that "it just uninstalls bro" are completely flying in the dark.

Point is the potential for damage is there and unnecessarily so. NPGG also has a history of being jank as hell and Sony themselves also have a history with installing Rootkits on peoples PCs without user knowledge.

The whole point when it comes to the severity of a rootkit is that they are notoriously difficult to pin down and remove so much so that they can even go so far as to weasel their way into your BIOS in which case even a format of your drives will not eradicate it.

There's also the fact that rootkits can act as attack vectors that the company who implemented it might not be responsible for but allowed in the first place. Of course employees or the company itself privy to such information could easily broker external deals in order to allow people insight into deliberate exploitation but that's getting a little ahead of ourselves.

All this intrusive behavior for an Anti-Cheat that still doesn't fully prevent or even perturb cheaters so the end result is the customer taking it up the ass for nothing.

[SmokingTire]

same boat as well, I used to play a lot of mmos back in the day when nProtect/gameguard wasn't so invasive, then played BDO, took a while to uninstall, then they changed to EAC, went back in and had a blast, then recently changed to nprotect and ain't touching it again as each time it's a pain to uninstall and you never know if it's fully clear.
I would gladly buy it and got 4 more friends ready for it as well as soon as anti-cheat is changed. I don't mind EAC for example and would gladly buy it.

[ZTEQ]

SmokingTire eredeti hozzászólása:

same boat as well, I used to play a lot of mmos back in the day when nProtect/gameguard wasn't so invasive, then played BDO, took a while to uninstall, then they changed to EAC, went back in and had a blast, then recently changed to nprotect and ain't touching it again as each time it's a pain to uninstall and you never know if it's fully clear.
I would gladly buy it and got 4 more friends ready for it as well as soon as anti-cheat is changed. I don't mind EAC for example and would gladly buy it.

I'm actually seriously considering buying another drive and giving Linux a go. I have been wanting to get some experience with Linux for awhile anyways, and it seems I would be able to jump into this game as well as long as I am using Linux environment on a separate drive and avoid most of the serious issues with GG. Might be the push I need to finally switch to Linux for the majority of my gaming.

[BioRadical]

It doesn't even stop cheaters considering reports on encountered players using speed/ammo/resource/stratagem hacks. Most of which could be addressed through server checks.

Considering this was an ongoing issue with the first game, kinda sad they still haven't addressed it yet. Guessing they only want to protect their micro transaction system.

[ZoolanderrrZA]

well they are not planning on changing the anti cheat so good luck with your choices.... seems the majority of the player base dont care, and havent experienced anything bad about the anti cheat... many games use kernel level anti cheat.... go on reddit and you will find someone complaining about a anti cheat saying the same stupid ♥♥♥♥ that was mentioned in a article 15 years ago... but somehow its stil relevant

[AUTI5T1X]

TheBossZA eredeti hozzászólása:

well they are not planning on changing the anti cheat so good luck with your choices.... seems the majority of the player base dont care, and havent experienced anything bad about the anti cheat... many games use kernel level anti cheat.... go on reddit and you will find someone complaining about a anti cheat saying the same stupid ♥♥♥♥ that was mentioned in a article 15 years ago... but somehow its stil relevant

And that majority is a gaggle of idiots with no regard for the security of their PC.

Can we not shill for unethical software in games?

[Kexlar]

I have only put around 30 hours into the game, but since installing, my system has been having problems, from my GC playing up and complete shutdowns, today I Uninstalled the game and although when you uninstall Helldivers 2 it asks if you want to remove NProtect Gameguard, the Gameguard files are left behind on your system so you have to manually remove them, and guess what? No more system problems. So I won't be re-installing Helldivers 2 until they remove Nprotect Gameguard, and if they don't remove it, I guess I won't be playing Helldivers 2 even though it is a fantastic game.

[ZoolanderrrZA]

AUTI5T1X eredeti hozzászólása:

TheBossZA eredeti hozzászólása:

well they are not planning on changing the anti cheat so good luck with your choices.... seems the majority of the player base dont care, and havent experienced anything bad about the anti cheat... many games use kernel level anti cheat.... go on reddit and you will find someone complaining about a anti cheat saying the same stupid ♥♥♥♥ that was mentioned in a article 15 years ago... but somehow its stil relevant

And that majority is a gaggle of idiots with no regard for the security of their PC.

Can we not shill for unethical software in games?

are you also only IT literate by reading an article on reddit on gameguard from 15 years ago... ?

[Theldras]

its amazing how many morons go all in to defend GameGuard even after all the undeniable evidence that it is responsible for all issues people experience, crashes, hardware failures, data loss, unrelated programs being force closed, and fps loss that cant be explained by old hardware, its all traced back to GameGuard as everyone who removed it all report that all the issues they experienced completely disapeared, there seriously is no question about what is responsible here.
if they even remotely care for their customers they need to remove the malware called GameGuard from the game and openly apologize for ever going with it in the first place.