Easy Anti-cheat is also kernel

[NoahZ]

thanks for the jesters but not looking for steam points, after trolling my curiosity was intrigued and got my answers. Not my fault most of you people simply say that "gameguard is bad because it's kernel"


EDIT 2: I want to point out while I'm still receiving jester rewards that I'm not supporting gameguard in anyway. But for people who disagree with it because it's kernel is what I'm fighting against. I think we'd all be happy without an anti-cheat especially as invasive as gameguard.
To be honest though gameguard hasn't affected me at all so I can't get an opinion against it.

[Grumpy Yukichi]

EAC stays up to date and doesn't false-flag legitimate hooks (discord overlay, OBS hooks, etc.) as hacks, while ignoring actual hacks.

I feel like the issue is less "GameGuard is kernel level" and more "GameGuard is genuinely bad at doing its job".

[SubAtomic]

Definitely this^^^ i play games with eac installed but people still cheat in them. It's absolutely more with how dodgy this particular anti-cheat is. I even own the game (currently) but will be refunding before 2weeks if not for a switch to something more reputable.

[M'Hael]

Originally posted by NoahZ:

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and therein lies the problem, you and people like you continue to pretend that people are taking issue with anti-cheat as a whole when in reality it is GameGuard in particular that they have a problem with....nobody would care if they were using EAC or Battleye.

[NoahZ]

Originally posted by M'Hael:

Originally posted by NoahZ:

title says all hope people see this

and therein lies the problem, you and people like you continue to pretend that people are taking issue with anti-cheat as a whole when in reality it is GameGuard in particular that they have a problem with....nobody would care if they were using EAC or Battleye.

honestly to broaden my knowledge, I'd like to know the issue with nProtect besides for it being kernel level because thats unfortunately all I hear. I can agree it wasnt the best option but unless it seriously messes with your systems (not mine in my case) then I dont see a reason for a refund?

its fine if you cant uninstall nProtect from your computer if a game installs with it. its not actively taking a process (as far as I can see in task manager when HD2 is closed) so its not slowing things down.

[NoahZ]

Originally posted by Doge Needs Healing (99/100 HP):

EAC stays up to date and doesn't false-flag legitimate hooks (discord overlay, OBS hooks, etc.) as hacks, while ignoring actual hacks.

I feel like the issue is less "GameGuard is kernel level" and more "GameGuard is genuinely bad at doing its job".

the problem with other anti-cheats as well is that they are still able to get past the anti-cheat, the only anti-cheat thats the best option is making one yourself. and maybe hopefully they'll develop one and get rid of gameguard. I dislike it as well but all I hear from people is that its "kernel level" and that you "shouldnt play games with kernel level anti-cheats" to then play 200 hours in elden ring
and 3 or 4 people have problems that gameguard shuts steam and discord down.

[Khaylain]

Originally posted by M'Hael:

Originally posted by NoahZ:

title says all hope people see this

and therein lies the problem, you and people like you continue to pretend that people are taking issue with anti-cheat as a whole when in reality it is GameGuard in particular that they have a problem with....nobody would care if they were using EAC or Battleye.

I take problem with any kernel level anti-cheat, really. So they're not pretending. But I'm not taking issue with anti-cheat in and of itself, only the things that are invasive to my PC. I am proof against your assertion that nobody would care if they were using EAC or BattlEye. I don't want those either.

[CrypticTaco]

Originally posted by NoahZ:

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Dear sony paid employee,

Let me say this so you understand.

WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANTI CHEAT (atleast most dont) WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING NGUARD.

Like how dense do you have to be to not read posts about issues with nguard and all you boot lickers going "lol they cheaters and mad".

Cant wait till you and everyone else get bored of HD2 uninstall it then start seeing that nguard hasnt removed itself...

[Snowfox]

Most people are aware that most anticheats work at a kernel level. The issue is trusted vs untrusted software. This argument is like defending Windows 12 for coming prepackaged with Mcafee.

[Grumpy Yukichi]

Originally posted by NoahZ:

honestly to broaden my knowledge, I'd like to know the issue with nProtect besides for it being kernel level because thats unfortunately all I hear. I can agree it wasnt the best option but unless it seriously messes with your systems (not mine in my case) then I dont see a reason for a refund?

nProtect GameGuard is notorious for being way more invasive than it has any right to be (main two examples are active keylogging and full scans of file structure. Don't believe the dev's claims against it, as there are clearly shown cases of it doing just in other games), while also being extra ineffective at doing what it's meant to do (note that the devs say for you to turn off your antivirus as a possible fix for it not launching, and there's already examples of people using cheats). There's even examples of users disabling it without the game even noticing (from personal experience, BnS users do it to use mods as well as genuine combat hacks), and I oddly wouldn't be surprised if the techniques they use can be used on Helldivers 2.

Originally posted by NoahZ:

its fine if you cant uninstall nProtect from your computer if a game installs with it. its not actively taking a process (as far as I can see in task manager when HD2 is closed) so its not slowing things down.

nProtect needs to be told to shut off, so if the game crashes or otherwise doesn't close cleanly, it'll stay active and continue scanning your system in an invasive manner.

[NoahZ]

Originally posted by CrypticTaco:

Originally posted by NoahZ:

title says all hope people see this

Dear sony paid employee,

Let me say this so you understand.

WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANTI CHEAT (atleast most dont) WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING NGUARD.

Like how dense do you have to be to not read posts about issues with nguard and all you boot lickers going "lol they cheaters and mad".

Cant wait till you and everyone else get bored of HD2 uninstall it then start seeing that nguard hasnt removed itself...

I understand, but most people are just saying about how bad it is because of kernel level. My original post was a troll I'll be honest but now I'm genuinely trying to learn here. Some people think gameguard is bad because it is kernel level but I'm beginning to see why everyone hates it more than I

[NoahZ]

Originally posted by Doge Needs Healing (99/100 HP):

Originally posted by NoahZ:

honestly to broaden my knowledge, I'd like to know the issue with nProtect besides for it being kernel level because thats unfortunately all I hear. I can agree it wasnt the best option but unless it seriously messes with your systems (not mine in my case) then I dont see a reason for a refund?

nProtect GameGuard is notorious for being way more invasive than it has any right to be (main two examples are active keylogging and full scans of file structure. Don't believe the dev's claims against it, as there are clearly shown cases of it doing just in other games), while also being extra ineffective at doing what it's meant to do (note that the devs say for you to turn off your antivirus as a possible fix for it not launching, and there's already examples of people using cheats). There's even examples of users disabling it without the game even noticing (from personal experience, BnS users do it to use mods as well as genuine combat hacks), and I oddly wouldn't be surprised if the techniques they use can be used on Helldivers 2.

Originally posted by NoahZ:

its fine if you cant uninstall nProtect from your computer if a game installs with it. its not actively taking a process (as far as I can see in task manager when HD2 is closed) so its not slowing things down.

nProtect needs to be told to shut off, so if the game crashes or otherwise doesn't close cleanly, it'll stay active and continue scanning your system in an invasive manner.

Ah, so gameguard is basically summed up as a buggy invasive broken mess?
I guess that makes sense. Believe me I hope they remove it but I've just been having a lot of fun and when I close HD2 and play other games I don't notice anything. Though I feel really bad for the X7000 users. Kind of forgot the name of it but you get who I'm referring to.

[Kungfuchknoodle]

When EAC disables my wireless headphones, so does this game, okay, fine.

However.... its Sony brand headphones. which for this game is hilarious to me.

[Soul]

Originally posted by NoahZ:

title says all hope people see this

Its like comparing 2 chemicals and say "see they both hurt"
Yeah but one could be more freakin harmful than the other,genius

[NoahZ]

Originally posted by Soul:

Originally posted by NoahZ:

title says all hope people see this

Its like comparing 2 chemicals and say "see they both hurt"
Yeah but one could be more freakin harmful than the other,genius

I understand I'm gonna unsub from this discussion because I got the answers I was seeking after forming a troll post for pure boredom.
I'm fine with gameguard but here's hoping they remove it because that seems to be the only issue players are having and it'd be awesome to have more people play.

[Ethanol]

That's basically how Anti-cheat works, why are clowns like you love to fear it so much? Got something hiding behind your backs?