Eagle 500 KG Bomb Bug ?

[Cat Bread]

Twice now in two separate missions since the 01.000.404 update I've:

1) Thrown the Eagle 500 KG Bomb stratagem
2) Not seen a beam appear
3) There was no explosion at the point of where I threw the stratagem
4) Suddenly I exist in a hell of napalm

Prior to this update, I was seeing the Eagle 500 KG Bomb stratagem sometimes not produce a result. The napalm is new. Something seems off here.

[Monolyth]

If you're playing on bot missions, if you toss a stratagem anywhere into a stratagem jammer's influence range it will be automatically negated. Your stratagem will not be spent thankfully. I regularly use the 500kg on both bot and bug missions and have never had this happen to me, so I'm unsure about what is happening.

[GoneTomorrow]

Originally posted by Monolyth:

If you're playing on bot missions, if you toss a stratagem anywhere into a stratagem jammer's influence range it will be automatically negated. Your stratagem will not be spent thankfully. I regularly use the 500kg on both bot and bug missions and have never had this happen to me, so I'm unsure about what is happening.

That is true, but it's happening to me now even with no jammer. 500kg and hellbombs don't explode sometimes.

[Silverstein]

this happened alot to me in the previous patch as well. no explosions.

[PreZ]

same here

[Cat Bread]

Yeah, it's not the jammer causing the stratagem to disappear or at least from a location standpoint in the game I'm not anywhere near the jammers radius of effect. I can't rule out wonky code when jammers exist on the map somewhere.

It seems to happen a lot with spawning structures like the bot fabricators. The stratagem just sort of flys into the fabricator and disappears. It wasn't bouncing off the side and landing next to it. And that makes me wonder if it is clipping through the map and never landing. I have definitely had my character fall through the map a few times. I think the disappearing stratagem has also happened with bug holes. Like the stalker lairs.

And with the napalm happening, I've only had that occur on automaton planets so far. I was wondering if something happened with the eagle stratagems where the game is getting confused who threw what. It is my understanding that rearm cooldown is shared, but payloads are unique between players. I wasn't sure if someone on my team was carrying an Eagle Napalm, threw it roughly at the same time as I threw the 500kg, the game got confused, and then suddenly the napalm erupts not at where they threw their stratagem or even where I threw mine, but where my character stood.

I also wasn't sure that one of the new ship modules did something to break Eagle stratagems.

It's all speculation. But it is very odd that the exact same scenario has happened twice in two separate missions. A player shouldn't just spontaneously combust into flames after throwing a stratagem that disappears.

[Cat Bread]

Originally posted by GoneTomorrow:

Originally posted by Monolyth:

If you're playing on bot missions, if you toss a stratagem anywhere into a stratagem jammer's influence range it will be automatically negated. Your stratagem will not be spent thankfully. I regularly use the 500kg on both bot and bug missions and have never had this happen to me, so I'm unsure about what is happening.

That is true, but it's happening to me now even with no jammer. 500kg and hellbombs don't explode sometimes.

I also had a hellbomb not explode and disappear on me yesterday after I armed it and ran. We had to call a second hellbomb. I wasn't sure if the bots could somehow stop it after being armed.

[Cat Bread]

Yesterday I had the 500kg fizzle out and not explode at least 6 or 7 times in a single game. And at least once it seemed like a hellbomb set to explode at the exact same time cancelled out a 500kg explosion?

[GoneTomorrow]

Originally posted by Cat Bread:

Yesterday I had the 500kg fizzle out and not explode at least 6 or 7 times in a single game. And at least once it seemed like a hellbomb set to explode at the exact same time cancelled out a 500kg explosion?

Those gunship factories in particular are the hardest to blow up with a hellbomb (but really any targets with the hellbomb). I don't know if that's by design, but even if I detonate it right next to the tower, it never destroys it the first time. If it is by design, it's pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sadistic because I've seen swarms with 8 or more gunships around the factories.

[Cat Bread]

This happened again on Socorro III running a level 9 mission, if that is the swamp planet. I can't check at the moment. The planet is not available for missions.

There also seems to be a few other threads indicating there is something going on, and it's being noticed:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/1/4521136683846859422/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/1/4521136683853330036/

[LewdestRoadCone]

greetings from 2025 where only 2 of the 7 i threw on tarsh ever exploded. nice clear shots in the middle of fields. no jammers. we snuck up on a patrol, i went "shhh" tossed it. then nothing. it was like a billion guys just standing there too was gonna be so epic.

[Keksicatko9]

Originally posted by LewdestRoadCone:

greetings from 2025 where only 2 of the 7 i threw on tarsh ever exploded. nice clear shots in the middle of fields. no jammers. we snuck up on a patrol, i went "shhh" tossed it. then nothing. it was like a billion guys just standing there too was gonna be so epic.

same :(

[Saber]

The same is happening to me u trow the 500kg bomb and no beam appears and no explanation happends and it waste my strategem and it happends with the bugs which Don't have a jammer

[LegPuller]

It's been happening a lot to me while fighting for bore rock. What I think it is is that it's getting stuck in trees. Though, sometimes I don't even see the explosion, and no trees are near, like at a Mega Nest.

Very annoying and it sucks having to throw a second, or even worse, the second one gets taken too, so now you have to wait.

Hopefully ghosting stratagems will get fixed soon.

[Cat Bread]

This is still broken.