Opinion on the Scythe

[Night FM]

This weapon seems fairly popular, but I was unimpressed with it. Because it deals a constant beam of damage, the time-to-kill seems slower than weapons such as assault rifles. It also only has light armor penetration.

I can see it as useful if you're having accuracy issues, since seeing the beam helps with aiming, but if you're reasonably accurate, assault rifles or similar weapons such as the Scorcher seem like better choices.

[Foxador]

Who lied to you and said it was popular? It's a weapon that's deemed to be one of the worst weapons around with some of the worst time to kill in the game

The only use it has is against the jet brigade where it insta kills them

[dyra55]

Its sibling - Sickle is far more popular because the way it fires and is used resembles more how other assault rifles feel like in this game

[Midas]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/0/591767767138485064/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/0/4361247820936096108/

Why is everyone talking about the scythe/lasers all of a sudden? Did some youtube nobody make some video about it lately or something?

[Night FM]

Originally posted by Foxador:

Who lied to you and said it was popular? It's a weapon that's deemed to be one of the worst weapons around with some of the worst time to kill in the game

The only use it has is against the jet brigade where it insta kills them

It could be my imagination, but I've seen a fair number of people using it. Though some of them may have been using the laser cannon, and I may have mistaken it for the Scythe.

For that matter, I rarely see people using the Scorcher, but my experience with it has been pretty good.

[Carrier]

I want to love the Scythe its a frikin laser! But its damage is crap so I cant.

[InvaderGir]

Some people can use it quite well. Despite what someone said on another post, you can run and gun with it. It does only have light armor pen, but most bot heads are light armor. It's a sniping weapon that doesn't suffer from bullet drop off. I take out more shield devs with it than anything else because the beam is tight enough to go into the sweet spot and it has no recoil/shot spread. It's great for supporting teammates from long distance as well. That being said, I usually slog around with an HMG as my support weapon and the Senator for up close and personal.

[⛑️💉zidj]

Scythe is an aimer's weapon. It's only particularly good against bots.
You MUST beam heads or you will not have a fast TTK
As such, you MUST face the enemy, ideally at mid to long range, and zero the scope to 100m, that is where it shines best
It is weak to berzerker spam, so make sure your pistol or support weapon covers that weakness

[Rifluvr]

As a Scythe and in general a beam guns enthusiast, let's get this straight, the Scythe is not an assault rifle. The Sickle is an laser assault rifle. The Scythe supposed to be like a laser sniper rifle, due to its absolute range coupled with accuracy, but due to the small direct damage (which on paper should have been balanced by burning damage) it is not a sniper rifle. It is an intermediate between a sniper rifle and a support weapon.

It is playable versus bugs, through burning and quick changing targets, but it cannot withstand the pressure of this faction and overheats very quickly. So it's bad, if you're not on 100 meters away and can clearly see your target. Spoiler: bugs won't allow you this.

On bots, it's good against scouts. In theory, devastators should also fall easily if you hit their head, but in practice, if they don't look exactly at you, then don't even try to spend a charge on them. Even if you are headshot master, any accidental shot knocks down your beam. Complete crap and a waste of time.

The Illuminati are the same as the bots, only the observers don't have a weak spots for the scythe. Good luck burning them all day. Don't even try it against anything other than voteless. Also lasers do almost not existing damage versus energy shields. Completely useless.

[Helldivers™ 2]

Scythe is only ok for bots if you only headshot but are not particularly good at it. That's it. Otherwise bullet weapons are better since you can shoot once instead of standing still

[⛑️💉zidj]

Originally posted by Rifluvr:

As a Scythe and in general a beam guns enthusiast, let's get this straight, the Scythe is not an assault rifle. The Sickle is an laser assault rifle. The Scythe should been like a laser sniper rifle, due to its absolute range coupled with accuracy, but due to the small direct damage (which on paper should have been balanced by burning damage) it is not a sniper rifle. It is an intermediate between a sniper rifle and a support weapon.

It is playable versus bugs, throug burning and quick changing targets, but it cannot withstand the pressure of this faction and overheats very quickly. So it's bad, if you're not on 100 meters away and can clearly see your target. Spoiler: bugs won't allow you this.

On bots, it's good against scouts. In theory, devastators should also fall easily if you hit their head, but in practice, if they don't look exactly at you, then don't even try to spend a charge on them. Even if you are headshot master, any accidental shot knocks down your beam. Complete crap and a waste of time.

The Illuminati are the same as the bots, only the observers don't have a weak spots for the scythe. Good luck burning them all day. Don't even try it against anything other than votless. Also lasers do almost not existed damage versus shields. Complete useless.

talon is a good backup to scythe when the devas are off angle because you can 3 tap a leg for a kill, and it's precise enough to do that at range compared to verdict or senator. loyalist is also a decent choice

[Foxador]

Originally posted by Rifluvr:

Don't even try it against anything other than voteless.

The scythe will actually get deflected off the voteless half the time while they're moving because they are armor 1 and when hitting certain angles the scythe turns to AP0 so you'll end up having a lot of shots get deflected

[Riggex]

Tried out a laser build lately (Scythe, Talon & Las 98), mostly against the bots but also against squids, and in regards the scythe specifically, i'm really not sure how i feel about it.

Like on the one hand, with good aim, It's effective against everything on Bot front short of Hulks / tanks / static emplacements. Melts through Chaff and even the mid tier stuff quickly with a beam to the head.

But, it was taking a very noticeable back seat to Las 98, which just felt like Scythe but straight up better lol. When my 98 was on cooldown, i found myself not switching to Scythe but rather to Talon.

Whilst i really did feel Scythe was a perfectly usable weapon, and i'm sure i could do well exclusively using it, it just kinda felt overshadowed by both it's bigger and smaller brothers. 98 felt better at range. Talon felt better in CQB.

I will say though, i have really fallen in love with Las 98 now. That thing is nasty especially on squid front. Melts through overseers, super easy to take down those purple disco dorito-snitches, and great for popping the legs of harvesters. That thing is very slept on. Definitely a new loadout staple for me as a jump/hover pack guy.

[⛑️💉zidj]

Originally posted by Riggex:

Tried out a laser build lately (Scythe, Talon & Las 98), mostly against the bots but also against squids, and in regards the scythe specifically, i'm really not sure how i feel about it.

Like on the one hand, with good aim, It's effective against everything on Bot front short of Hulks / tanks / static emplacements. Melts through Chaff and even the mid tier stuff quickly with a beam to the head.

But, it was taking a very noticeable back seat to Las 98, which just felt like Scythe but straight up better lol. When my 98 was on cooldown, i found myself not switching to Scythe but rather to Talon.

Whilst i really did feel Scythe was a perfectly usable weapon, and i'm sure i could do well exclusively using it, it just kinda felt overshadowed by both it's bigger and smaller brothers. 98 felt better at range. Talon felt better in CQB.

I will say though, i have really fallen in love with Las 98 now. That thing is nasty especially on squid front. Melts through overseers, super easy to take down those purple disco dorito-snitches, and great for popping the legs of harvesters. That thing is very slept on. Definitely a new loadout staple for me as a jump/hover pack guy.

i use scythe for long range and laser cannon for close range/heavies. laser cannon's scope is too weak and its range is too short (hard capped at 200m compared to scythe and dagger at 1000m)

[Foxador]

Originally posted by Riggex:

But, it was taking a very noticeable back seat to Las 98, which just felt like Scythe but straight up better lol.

Because it is and that's not hyperbole. The Las-98 and Scythe do the exact same damage with the main difference being range and armor penetration. The Las-98 has a short range of only 200m while the Scythe has a range of 1,000m. The Las-98 has AP4 while the Scythe has AP1 which is the biggest difference and means that the Las-98 will always do more damage unless you're hitting something that has no armor at all

If the wiki is to be trusted than the Las-98 is that it has 0 angles of deflection meaning that it cannot be deflected unlike a majority of every other weapon in the game. This is very important as it means you don't have to worry about bad angles having less AP like a lot of other weapons have

[⛑️💉zidj]

Originally posted by Foxador:

Because it is and that's not hyperbole. The Las-98 and Scythe do the exact same damage with the main difference being range and armor penetration. The Las-98 has a short range of only 200m while the Scythe has a range of 1,000m. The Las-98 has AP4 while the Scythe has AP1 which is the biggest difference and means that the Las-98 will always do more damage unless you're hitting something that has no armor at all

If the wiki is to be trusted than the Las-98 is that it has 0 angles of deflection meaning that it cannot be deflected unlike a majority of every other weapon in the game. This is very important as it means you don't have to worry about bad angles having less AP like a lot of other weapons have

scythe is ap2. no weapon has been ap1 since the breaker spray&pray at launch