Buff Proposition for Laser Weapons

[Corn-fed Peasant]

I think the answer to balancing laser weapons is mostly difficult without making them completely OP but I thought of something that would make it good and separate them from other weapons in how they function: limb damage.

Wouldn’t it make sense that chopping off a strider’s leg would be much easier with a laser? This would give the scythe and laser cannon a reason to exist without effecting the already quite powerful energy weapons like quasar, orbital, and guard dog. It would also just be fun to consistently cut the limbs off of berserkers, brood mothers, striders, etc.

[Corn-fed Peasant]

Meant to also add sickle onto the list of energy weapons that wouldn’t be effected by a limb damage buff due to it being more bullets than laser and the fact that it’s already S tier

[Eudicots]

The problem I have with this is that there are only 2 bad laser weapons in the game atm. Every other option is strong with the current systems in the game already. The Laser Cannon is one of the best weapons in the game already against bots. It's already a great pick on Helldive.

Sure being able to cut off enemy limbs sounds cool, but why limit it to laser weapons only? Surely this could be spread out to more weapon types, especially explosives.

[Corn-fed Peasant]

Originally posted by Eudicots:

The problem I have with this is that there are only 2 bad laser weapons in the game atm. Every other option is strong with the current systems in the game already. The Laser Cannon is one of the best weapons in the game already against bots. It's already a great pick on Helldive.

Sure being able to cut off enemy limbs sounds cool, but why limit it to laser weapons only? Surely this could be spread out to more weapon types, especially explosives.

Logically explosive weapons could destroy limbs and they do often times but a laser with surgical accuracy focused on a thin piece of metal just makes sense that it would slice through it as we have seen in science fiction which as we know the game is based heavily upon. I still think this would be a good idea because what alternative is there? Buff damage or cooling time? I think the better solution would be to create a niche or a new way of playing with the weapon, we have a full dismemberment system in game that doesn’t get used often due to it being easier to just hit a critical spot but if the crit spot was the limbs it would give players more of a reason to intentionally de-limbify enemies and make the scythe seem actually useful, as for the laser cannon I’ll have to do more testing as I haven’t used it much but when I have I’m disappointed and I just don’t see it matching up to the autocannon that completes similar tasks better. I fully agree that laser weapons are not in desperate need of a buff in comparison to some other weapon categories like marksman rifles for instance but it will still need a buff at some point due to it being the only primary that fires an actual laser and the fact that it’s pretty much F tier. Laser cannon is a weird one cuz it is great for utility but in my experience not so good at killing regular enemies quickly. Key words in my experience. I would love to use laser cannon more though so if you have any other uses for it I would gladly partake.

[Corn-fed Peasant]

Originally posted by Corn-fed Peasant:

Originally posted by Eudicots:

The problem I have with this is that there are only 2 bad laser weapons in the game atm. Every other option is strong with the current systems in the game already. The Laser Cannon is one of the best weapons in the game already against bots. It's already a great pick on Helldive.

Sure being able to cut off enemy limbs sounds cool, but why limit it to laser weapons only? Surely this could be spread out to more weapon types, especially explosives.

Also if you think the laser cannon is good what was the other laser weapon that isn’t good? I think we both agree on the scythe being bad but imo the quasar, guard dog, orbital, and sickle are all great weapons/ stratagems.

Nevermind it’s the dagger that thing is so ass i forgot it existed

[Queltis]

Originally posted by Eudicots:

The problem I have with this is that there are only 2 bad laser weapons in the game atm.

All three of the beam weapons are trash tier garbage that will burn out almost an entire heat sink before they kill even warrior level mobs. They need a substantial buff, even if it’s only through a stacking damage multiplier based off of time on target.

[Corn-fed Peasant]

Originally posted by Queltis:

Originally posted by Eudicots:

The problem I have with this is that there are only 2 bad laser weapons in the game atm.

All three of the beam weapons are trash tier garbage that will burn out almost an entire heat sink before they kill even warrior level mobs. They need a substantial buff, even if it’s only through a stacking damage multiplier based off of time on target.

That’s also a pretty good idea for a buff, never thought of that

[Explodium]

The laser cannon needs some sort of high-tech optics that cancels out glare, so I can actually see what I'm shooting at.

[Queltis]

Originally posted by Corn-fed Peasant:

Originally posted by Queltis:

All three of the beam weapons are trash tier garbage that will burn out almost an entire heat sink before they kill even warrior level mobs. They need a substantial buff, even if it’s only through a stacking damage multiplier based off of time on target.

That’s also a pretty good idea for a buff, never thought of that

There’s a few different ways to buff them to usefulness, but the ideas I’d like to see would make them debuff applicators in a game where players squeal “moar dakka”.

[Corn-fed Peasant]

Originally posted by Eudicots:

The problem I have with this is that there are only 2 bad laser weapons in the game atm. Every other option is strong with the current systems in the game already. The Laser Cannon is one of the best weapons in the game already against bots. It's already a great pick on Helldive.

Sure being able to cut off enemy limbs sounds cool, but why limit it to laser weapons only? Surely this could be spread out to more weapon types, especially explosives.

After using the laser cannon against bots for a few games last night i gotta say it isn’t as bad as i thought, has some decent utility especially for things like turrets, tanks, and above all gunships, I take back my statement about it sucking but i still think it could use a lil sumthin to compete with the big boys of weapons.

[Mathias Giovanni]

They are not made to be used on hot planets. They are buffed on cold planets. On cold planets you can use them forever without over heating. And they cool off fast. On hot planets they are useless. On normal planets eh.

[Chocbomb]

What sux is you will never have other items in your kit that will synergies with them.
You wont have a Disco Ball grenade/mines that if you shoot them with your lazer it will reflect the damage into a million different little lazers.
You wont get a Lazer version of the Tesla Tower that you can shoot and reflect lazers onto enemies.

The lazers will just be the same lazery things for forever.

The game will never have things to synergies to make you specialise in something, instead you just gota have more lazers or more of whatever it is youre trying to make it look like youre special.

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

I've been saying this for a while. Let us cut off bot arms about twice as easily. Bug legs too.

Will this make it better than other guns that just kill fast? No. Will this make it more fun and interesting? Absolutely.

[TravoltinoSK]

All las cannon needs is a adjustable optic that hits PRECISELY where you aim WITHOUT any blur effects.
It already is an excellent weapon that with eruptor makes an excellent combo

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Originally posted by Corn-fed Peasant:

Originally posted by Eudicots:

The problem I have with this is that there are only 2 bad laser weapons in the game atm. Every other option is strong with the current systems in the game already. The Laser Cannon is one of the best weapons in the game already against bots. It's already a great pick on Helldive.

Sure being able to cut off enemy limbs sounds cool, but why limit it to laser weapons only? Surely this could be spread out to more weapon types, especially explosives.

After using the laser cannon against bots for a few games last night i gotta say it isn’t as bad as i thought, has some decent utility especially for things like turrets, tanks, and above all gunships, I take back my statement about it sucking but i still think it could use a lil sumthin to compete with the big boys of weapons.

I think laser cannon is literally fine the way it is. Decent damage, infinite ammo, very accurate, works on everything. Heck, I even bring it against bugs sometimes if the planet is cold. Why not?

[Qua2ar]

How about the beam weapons setting things on fire after a sec or 2?
Of course only after the fire bug gets fixed.