Automatons Change Discussion

[Marrow]

Somethings after this update I've kinda noticed from my personal view was curious about everyone else? (Yes skill issue )

My first thought was, that I think it was incredibly really weak with the story to just say outta no where "AnD tHeN ThErE wErE MoRE!!!!11!" The writing for that was actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lets be for real there.

Anyway here are some things I've noticed.

>Less Frontline Infantry, and mainly Devastators (Machine Gun, Rockets) and Commisars with rocket launchers.
- I kinda find this a bit boring and trying to be hard to be hard, Its increasingly boring going against these tanky enemies non stop, Is there any reason to have any other unit within their faction, because these things just "Devastate"

>Hulks with stubby legs can run fast than you
- With the developers boasting about being devs that have actually fired weapons, so that their guns are quite close to realism, have they completely ignored the fact that this machine with small stubby legs can sprint faster than a fit helldiver, remember these hulks are just mass of metal, Ammunition, Explosives, how are they so fast? lol

>Hulks flamethrower oneshots
- I've noticed since the update also that their flame thrower variant has just gotten to the point where its a click and point adventure for them cause the gap to survive its flame thrower has been made ever so slim all of a sudden, it doesn't help that (read above) they sprint at you and melee spam you to death.

>Overall combat
- I understand that they're on the offensive, but has anyone had room to breathe? was watching my friends and youtubers playing and even when avoiding combat or disengaging or even just free roaming, bot drops are called in by bots that cant actually see you so its just no small 1-2 minutes downtime?


Overall I've found the Automatons not to be as fun as they used to be, more feels the Devs are kinda being a bit Power playing because their faction got beaten so early in the first war? What's been your experience

[Tigerhawk71]

I'm not reading all of that and neither is anyone else.


The bots haven't changed and don't need to be.

[Marrow]

Originally posted by Tigerhawk71:

I'm not reading all of that and neither is anyone else.


The bots haven't changed and don't need to be.

Why did you click on it then?

It just makes you look even more of a moron, its not even a complaint post its just a discussion if people don't wanna read it, ya don't have to announce it like an airport just move on and stop asking for attention

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by Tigerhawk71:

I'm not reading all of that and neither is anyone else.


The bots haven't changed and don't need to be.

This one is actually well edited for a change, so I'll read it np

@Ozzy: the writing is fine, it was foreshadowed for a few weeks before, that bots are contacting someone outside the galaxy and it's probably not their main fleet that we see now. It's not like it's stellar writing, but it's consistent and it holds up just fine

> Less infantry
It's just RNG, it changes map to map heavily

> Flamthrowers
Yeah fk those

> Overall
We've had several EXTREMELY chill bot missions yesterday on helldive, so it's also RNG dependent

As far as fun goes - they somehow started oneshotting with rockets again even in heavy explosive armor. It's rare but it happens. And it's not like I'm ragdolled and hit my head then die. Just straight up dead to one rocket, that's it.
Also yesterday I've had many missions where I was lying down in a stealth light armor, none of my squad fighting nowhere near close to me, no shield or rover on top of me, no watchtower (I killed both at that point). And then a random patrol 50 meters away aggros on me and/or there's a random drop on top of my head. No idea what happened

[Marrow]

Originally posted by Vespertellino:

Originally posted by Tigerhawk71:

I'm not reading all of that and neither is anyone else.


The bots haven't changed and don't need to be.

This one is actually well edited for a change, so I'll read it np

@Ozzy: the writing is fine, it was foreshadowed for a few weeks before, that bots are contacting someone outside the galaxy and it's probably not their main fleet that we see now. It's not like it's stellar writing, but it's consistent and it holds up just fine

> Less infantry
It's just RNG, it changes map to map heavily

> Flamthrowers
Yeah fk those

> Overall
We've had several EXTREMELY chill bot missions yesterday on helldive, so it's also RNG dependent

As far as fun goes - they somehow started oneshotting with rockets again even in heavy explosive armor. It's rare but it happens. And it's not like I'm ragdolled and hit my head then die. Just straight up dead to one rocket, that's it.
Also yesterday I've had many missions where I was lying down in a stealth light armor, none of my squad fighting nowhere near close to me, no shield or rover on top of me, no watchtower (I killed both at that point). And then a random patrol 50 meters away aggros on me and/or there's a random drop on top of my head. No idea what happened

Yeah might be the luck of the draw on my end, But I must agree I've noticed that the missiles are infact one shotting on Heavy armour with the 50% Explosive resistance,

- Mainly my deaths are from jetpack guys as their explosions one shot EVERYTHING, so just be warned on them

- I think the devs have upped their aggression level then possibly too high

- Stealth is broken I feel too cause I've had very simular inncidents as yours, its strange

They just feel alot different than they used to, but I don't know if I'm going crazy lol

[Balabalalde]

They are different, and im not sure it is behavior as intended.

So far I've seen: hulks and devastators climbing mountain ranges to come at the group, said enemies shooting through those mountains with lasers to attack you, and the humanoid bots walking through ANY terrain and doing the same.

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by Ozzy:

- Mainly my deaths are from jetpack guys as their explosions one shot EVERYTHING, so just be warned on them

- I think the devs have upped their aggression level then possibly too high

- Stealth is broken I feel too cause I've had very simular inncidents as yours, its strange

They just feel alot different than they used to, but I don't know if I'm going crazy lol

Nah, I was talking specifically about rockets to the face
I understand the aggro thingy, which would explain the slight increase in numbers and enemy vigilance, but it's up to 11 now in terms of stealth
You're def not crazy, I started noticing it the same time you did, same as my friends

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by Balabalalde:

They are different, and im not sure it is behavior as intended.

So far I've seen: hulks and devastators climbing mountain ranges to come at the group, said enemies shooting through those mountains with lasers to attack you, and the humanoid bots walking through ANY terrain and doing the same.

Oh yeah I've seen Hulks shooting straight through the middle of some huge rock. It only happened to me on sandy planets though, so maybe they're the culprit as they've been added to the game relatively recently
Come to think of it, stealth issues also occured on sandy planets, gotta test it somewhere else

[Marrow]

Hmm, maybe theres been a mistake over at the Devs end of things.

[Pindie]

Everything is bullet spongy. It's a chore to play anything other than Autocannon.

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by Pindie:

Everything is bullet spongy. It's a chore to play anything other than Autocannon.

Now come on, not really, AC is king tho

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Ozzy:

My first thought was, that I think it was incredibly really weak with the story to just say outta no where "AnD tHeN ThErE wErE MoRE!!!!11!" The writing for that was actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lets be for real there.

And that right there, could only be written by someone that didn't pay attention. Operation Swift Disassembly was started because Super Earth had gotten news about a large Automaton Invasion Fleet heading for Super Earth. They started Operation Swift Disassembly in order to stop the invasion fleet becoming even larger.

It wasn't an "And then there were more" situation, it was a case of "we know there is something big coming, maybe we can stop it". They already told us before we started Operation Swift Disassembly that there would be a big invasion coming. And they are also not releasing 2 new enemy types a 2 days before the faction is removed.

But don't let any of this get in the way of your conspiracy theory of the evil devs being out to getcha.

Originally posted by Ozzy:

Overall I've found the Automatons not to be as fun as they used to be

They haven't really changed. If anything, they got easier.

Originally posted by Ozzy:

more feels the Devs are kinda being a bit Power playing because their faction got beaten so early in the first war?

You seriously think they buffed the bots between Operation Swift Disassembly and this new invasion?

Originally posted by Ozzy:

What's been your experience

Compared to release the bots got a lot easier. We have more tools to fight them than ever before and they reduced the Rocket damage... if anything the Bots were never as easy to fight as they are right now.

And personally i like fighting bots, as they are at least a bit of a challenge in terms of gameplay mechanics, with the need to take cover and the many situations where you need to flank them to destroy them. In terms of gameplay they are so much more fun to fight than bugs. With the exception of the Charger and the Bile Titan there isn't really much need for Team play with the bugs. Its just a shooting gallery.

[gachi is manly]

Originally posted by Ozzy:

My first thought was, that I think it was incredibly really weak with the story to just say outta no where "AnD tHeN ThErE wErE MoRE!!!!11!" The writing for that was actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lets be for real there.

I wouldn't say it was outta nowhere. They dropped a ton of hints that the bots on the visible galaxy map weren't the only ones out there.

[Pindie]

Originally posted by Vespertellino:

Originally posted by Pindie:

Everything is bullet spongy. It's a chore to play anything other than Autocannon.

Now come on, not really, AC is king tho

Other than AC or something like Rail how do you kill an MG devastator quickly? Even flanking shots take half a mag worth.

[TwinIndifferent]

So far after 20~ operations against bots on Dif-7 I did noticed more stupid stuff besides flamer Hulks oneshotting me:
- Outposts tend to randomly shoot flares and call reinforcements even when not alerted at all. I had 3 flares being shot from outpost 300~ meters away from me.
- Absolute crap spawns of heavies. Had 2-3 tanks per drop. Science lab resque missions are straight up unplayable due to sheer massiveness of spawns. Not only in terms of amount of drops, but amount of enemies led to FPS drops AND reinforcements not working at all. I had a conga line of 20~ berserkers following me in about 3 minutes after start.
- No limit for gunship spawn. Even on Reddit there is a funny screenshot of 7 gunships on one player.

Due to first 2 issues even difficulty 4 felt like 6-7 even with a full team of friends.

[Pindie]

I would add dropping a tank on top of players and the fact sometimes gunship comes without flares.