Concussive Liberator tips

[IGNITRO]

How are you using this weapon?
I try to tap fire at close enemies for kiting but i feel like the ammo and firerate tradeoff isn't enough to deal with the terminids.

Any recommendations?

[Drackmore]

Concussive feels a bit to weak imo. If it had better armor shredding, AoE, or stronger stun then maybe it'd be worth it. As it is the tradeoffs are just not in favor of the gun. Otherwise I'll just stick with the Breaker or Incendiary Breaker.

[Pain]

It's well bad. It's ok on the lower difficulties but it absolutely will start hindering you on the harder difficulties. Many enemies have armor plating that makes it rather a poor choice on top of the volume of enemies. It's low FPS and low damage makes it really bad.

[Chaos]

Nah, just another one for the trash bin.

[Tom]

Other than using a different primary weapon, I guess you can shoot something to stun lock it in a orbital or airstrike?

[Drackmore]

Originally posted by Tom:

Other than using a different primary weapon, I guess you can shoot something to stun lock it in a orbital or airstrike?

Yeah, but you can do the same with any of the shotguns. And the incendiary shotgun will do respectable damage to anything it hits regardless of armor while also stunning them.

[asura]

It's trash and got a super weird patch.
It was originally called Liberator Explosive but then was renamed. If you look at the weapon description thing I believe it still even says explosive when it isn't.

The only useful thing about it is the push back. You can kind of circle strafe to push bugs and bots into a little circle and then airstrike them or something. It's a very specific and kind of useless thing to do. Similar push back shenanigans are on the Punisher shotgun.

The liberator variants are both just kinda trash.

[kknd]

Originally posted by asura:

It's trash and got a super weird patch.
It was originally called Liberator Explosive but then was renamed. If you look at the weapon description thing I believe it still even says explosive when it isn't.

The only useful thing about it is the push back. You can kind of circle strafe to push bugs and bots into a little circle and then airstrike them or something. It's a very specific and kind of useless thing to do. Similar push back shenanigans are on the Punisher shotgun.

The liberator variants are both just kinda trash.

The Liberator Penitrator version has the highly niche role of a primary that punches through medium armor. It just paid so much in damage, magazine size and losing full auto fire that you really need to be facing the armored bile spewers en-mass to even consider it. (As I understand it, it's decent vs Devastators too.)

Basic Liberator is a glorified SMG (Defender preforms more like what I'd expect of an assault rifle.) but it can get the job done for clearing chaff.

The concussive is in a very weird spot, it doesn't do explosive damage mechanically, so it can't exploit the 'gooy' armored areas on some of the bugs, it doesn't have aoe or damage strong enough to use for that, and the crowd control is both of limited utility and has both the Punisher and Slugger doing a better job of it.

I'm glad they renamed it to fit it's performance better, but it's still in a weird spot where I can't find a use case for it.

[asura]

Originally posted by kknd:

The Liberator Penitrator version has the highly niche role of a primary that punches through medium armor.

Here we go. So to be clear, I pretty much always run the liberator. Sometimes I get bored and run other stuff like the slugger or even the punisher but most of the time is the Liberator Penetrator. I believe that some day it will not suck.

There is absolutely no reason to use this gun on Devastators. You just need to hit their little peanut head and you're better off with any shotgun or automatic fire weapon with decent recoil. The only way the penetrator here is useful is if you really just want to shoot them in the leg a lot.... for no reason....

If you're fighting armored stuff en masse you're better off with the Slugger. There's nothing the Liberator Penetrator can do well that other weapons can't already do. For crowd control it's absolute trash and even the slugger with its one-cartridge-reload works better.

Originally posted by kknd:

Basic Liberator is a glorified SMG (Defender preforms more like what I'd expect of an assault rifle.) but it can get the job done for clearing chaff.

Base Liberator has pretty decent recoil and multiple firing modes. Honestly you are better off with this than the Liberator Penetrator when you're fighting devastators.

Originally posted by kknd:

The concussive is in a very weird spot, it doesn't do explosive damage mechanically, so it can't exploit the 'gooy' armored areas on some of the bugs, it doesn't have aoe or damage strong enough to use for that, and the crowd control is both of limited utility and has both the Punisher and Slugger doing a better job of it.

This is pretty much the same for Liberator Penetrator. It just doesn't fit anywhere useful.

[kknd]

Originally posted by asura:

Originally posted by kknd:

The Liberator Penitrator version has the highly niche role of a primary that punches through medium armor.

Here we go. So to be clear, I pretty much always run the liberator. Sometimes I get bored and run other stuff like the slugger or even the punisher but most of the time is the Liberator Penetrator. I believe that some day it will not suck.

There is absolutely no reason to use this gun on Devastators. You just need to hit their little peanut head and you're better off with any shotgun or automatic fire weapon with decent recoil. The only way the penetrator here is useful is if you really just want to shoot them in the leg a lot.... for no reason....

If you're fighting armored stuff en masse you're better off with the Slugger. There's nothing the Liberator Penetrator can do well that other weapons can't already do. For crowd control it's absolute trash and even the slugger with its one-cartridge-reload works better.

I don't disagree that the Pen isn't a good choice for devastators because of the headshot option. But as I said, I don't use it for that. The times I've used it or seen it used well were vs armored Bile Spewer spam situations.

[RX-3DR]

Weakpoint/Non-bounce on medium bugs and bots will cause them to flinch so hard, you can jam them until they die. But is it worth jamming up something for 4 seconds till it dies or actually killing it in less than half the time and moving on to other targets with most other weapons?

The value of the weapon can be summed up by them renaming it from Explosive to Concussive. Gun was so underwhelming that they basically went from calling it HE Grenade to Stun Grenade.

[Majorita]

The old adage of 'death is the best crowd-control' holds true here.

Or in other words it is unfortunately just a bad weapon on higher difficulties. I guess below that it's fine, but then, anything is fine.

[RobeRonin]

select breaker fix all your problems lol

[asura]

Originally posted by Majorita:

I guess below that it's fine, but then, anything is fine.

... club the bugs with it. Works better as melee.

[Dr. Jan Itor]

It's okay against bugs and anyone who says otherwise is just bad.

But, when they also say that there are better options? They're absolutely right. I find myself moving between Dominator and regular Liberator for the bots, Punisher, Sickle, and Breaker for the bugs, and Slugger for both.

It works pretty well at staggering bugs, so if you got two guys with Breakers hosing them down, you can pretty effectively stagger a crowd for them. But, you know what's better? Bringing a 3rd Breaker.

[McDinglefart]

Reccomendation - do not use it.