Current Automaton Meta, is so boring and bad, and really easy.

[Babyfaced Beauty]

The current meta is to run a scout modifier light armour, Scorcher rifle, and absolutely no backpack or weapon stratagems.

You get Orbital Laser, Air Strike, 500kg bomb, and whatever you like for your 4th, usually rail cannon or precision strike, most of the time in helldive, this slot is locked, so it doesn't matter.

The game revolves around just going to objectives and tossing in a stratagem, or sneaking into radar or anti air turrets, killing a few small fries, and hellbombing.

I don't even bother fighting mobs, just stratagems to clear the heavies, and kill the small fries, if there's a bot drop, I just run as they don't immediately aggro. As long as you don't let anything that have spotted you live, there's no fighting required. Otherwise, its often a quick death, a reinforce, and rinse repeat, no need to run back for weapons or backpack.

At evac, if you manage to find a hiding spot that avoids the scripted 2-3x patrols, you can easily evac as the pelican blows a path for you, or you just drop an orbital laser.

I can carry a whole Hell Dive loby myself with this stupid boring ass meta except for the data mission that requires 2 encrypted packages.

To try anything else that involves fighting the automatons, is usually death due to how they headshot or explode you from infinity, and have too much armour to kill effectively so they overwhelm your position if you stood in place.

Since discovering this, I guess it's true, automaton games are significantly easier than terminid games, not the fighting of the army, just the objective completion.

It's also alot faster and possible to clear a helldive 40 min mission in less than 20 mins and all side objectives done, especially if the team has a second guy who does the same meta. If everyone does it, gosh the game is done in 10 mins.

[Lovely Ducklin]

Ok, but have you considered having fun and not minmaxing your fun out of the game? Yes, you can just sneak and insta kill objectives with lasers, but what for?

[Dynamiez]

If you find it boring, what hinders you to take other stuff?
And second, as you say yourself, if you engage in a fight its death... so, this meta isnt really a meta? Because as soon as one of you make a failure, hell breaks loose?
And third... what is your intention for a thread like this? You want just consent to dont feel alone? Or are you a masochist and like the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you initiate with those posts? I really dont get it...

[Shield]

What a boring way to play the game. No wonder you feel so aggrieved enough to write a post over it.

It's just ironic that it's self-inflicted. You're not forced to engage a game in a way that makes you unhappy.

[Anarchy]

Originally posted by owlBear:

What a boring way to play the game. No wonder you feel so aggrieved enough to write a post over it.

It's just ironic that it's self-inflicted. You're not forced to engage a game in a way that makes you unhappy.

You somewhat kind of are with the devs design philosophy of the higher difficulties

Not to say you can't also go guns blazing but they want you to stealth and whatnot even though a big draw for a lot of people is... the combat.

[Estellese]

I mean, yeah, you can abuse cheese to clear just about any game.

But why would you? You didn't actually beat helldive, you just cheesed it.

While the rest of us have fun playing normally.

[Wutever]

Originally posted by Lovely Duckling:

Ok, but have you considered having fun and not minmaxing your fun out of the game? Yes, you can just sneak and insta kill objectives with lasers, but what for?

Dying to 20 rockets from across the map and through terrain is fun?

[The Parry]

i mean if you do nothing but clear objectives and avoid patrols then of-course the game will be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boring, try to actively fight stuff instead of full clearing and maybe take a look at the words you used "i can carry a whole hell dive lobby" maybe they're doing what you need to do and enjoy the combat?

[Zerathorne]

There's plenty of different loadouts and strategies to use, nobody is forcing you to play stealth. People really find anything to complain about... go touch some grass.

[Babyfaced Beauty]

Originally posted by Anarchy:

Originally posted by owlBear:

What a boring way to play the game. No wonder you feel so aggrieved enough to write a post over it.

It's just ironic that it's self-inflicted. You're not forced to engage a game in a way that makes you unhappy.

You somewhat kind of are with the devs design philosophy of the higher difficulties

Not to say you can't also go guns blazing but they want you to stealth and whatnot even though a big draw for a lot of people is... the combat.

This is my stance. Meta is meta, most effective tactic available. We can gimp ourselves and do absolutely poorly, or we can run the meta and totally beat the system. There's no inbetween, there's no modicum of fun to be head because everything else fails so misarably.

I'm of course referring to helldive difficulty.

We lose the strugle, the panic, the funny possibilities of fighting and mishaps that occur during combat, and of course, the carthasis of success.

There is nothing to struggle about when death comes so instantly during combat, and success so easily when combat is avoidable completely.

Perhaps it's an issue at max level (2x 500kg bombs, 3x air strikes, faster cooldown orbital lasers, scorcher rifle being able to take out both tanks and turret towers).

I've tried to go a more gimped strategy, going rail gun, AMR, autocannon, laser canon + sickle, spear (too unreliable re: locking on, otherwise i'd probably replace my 500kg with this), shield backpack - the problem arises when dying, it's almost impossible to retrieve gear in helldive difficulty, and fighting automatons = death in helldive. Running away means only having air strikes, which is kind of rubbish in those destroy command centre missions where a single orbital laser and you can walk away without firing a shot.

There is no alternative, you either meta it and the game becomes overly easy, or you don't and you can just quit the mission cos it's never finishing.

[Anarchy]

Originally posted by BabyBeauty:

Originally posted by Anarchy:

You somewhat kind of are with the devs design philosophy of the higher difficulties

Not to say you can't also go guns blazing but they want you to stealth and whatnot even though a big draw for a lot of people is... the combat.

This is my stance. Meta is meta, most effective tactic available. We can gimp ourselves and do absolutely poorly, or we can run the meta and totally beat the system. There's no inbetween, there's no modicum of fun to be head because everything else fails so misarably.

I'm of course referring to helldive difficulty.

We lose the strugle, the panic, the funny possibilities of fighting and mishaps that occur during combat, and of course, the carthasis of success.

There is nothing to struggle about when death comes so instantly during combat, and success so easily when combat is avoidable completely.

Perhaps it's an issue at max level (2x 500kg bombs, 3x air strikes, faster cooldown orbital lasers, scorcher rifle being able to take out both tanks and turret towers).

I've tried to go a more gimped strategy, going rail gun, AMR, autocannon, laser canon + sickle, spear (too unreliable re: locking on, otherwise i'd probably replace my 500kg with this), shield backpack - the problem arises when dying, it's almost impossible to retrieve gear in helldive difficulty, and fighting automatons = death in helldive. Running away means only having air strikes, which is kind of rubbish in those destroy command centre missions where a single orbital laser and you can walk away without firing a shot.

There is no alternative, you either meta it and the game becomes overly easy, or you don't and you can just quit the mission cos it's never finishing.

Which is, again, stupid with how they marketed the game to people tbqh with you

they did all these combat centric ads and whatnot and then still kept the 'lol stealth' thing.

idk some of their design philosophy and otherwise just clashes with other things they do/say/etc

[Babyfaced Beauty]

Originally posted by Dynamiez:

If you find it boring, what hinders you to take other stuff?
And second, as you say yourself, if you engage in a fight its death... so, this meta isnt really a meta? Because as soon as one of you make a failure, hell breaks loose?
And third... what is your intention for a thread like this? You want just consent to dont feel alone? Or are you a masochist and like the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you initiate with those posts? I really dont get it...

If you engage in fights with lets say, autocannon turret, shield generator, rail gun, and shield backpack, you die instantly.

That is what I mean, not using the 'META' strategy to fight, as you don't bother engaging in combat with the META.

You CAN NOT FIGHT AT ALL in helldive difficulty whatever other strategem you use as you can't kill the main army fast enough with weapons, and you can't survive if you attempted to run after engaging in any meaningful combat.

This is the problem. There is no flanking, no turtling, no bounding overwatch, nothing. You either rain all your strategems and still die, or you skip the fight and clear the mission.

[Dynamiez]

Originally posted by BabyBeauty:

Originally posted by Dynamiez:

If you find it boring, what hinders you to take other stuff?
And second, as you say yourself, if you engage in a fight its death... so, this meta isnt really a meta? Because as soon as one of you make a failure, hell breaks loose?
And third... what is your intention for a thread like this? You want just consent to dont feel alone? Or are you a masochist and like the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you initiate with those posts? I really dont get it...

If you engage in fights with lets say, autocannon turret, shield generator, rail gun, and shield backpack, you die instantly.

That is what I mean, not using the 'META' strategy to fight, as you don't bother engaging in combat with the META.

You CAN NOT FIGHT AT ALL in helldive difficulty whatever other strategem you use as you can't kill the main army fast enough with weapons, and you can't survive if you attempted to run after engaging in any meaningful combat.

This is the problem. There is no flanking, no turtling, no bounding overwatch, nothing. You either rain all your strategems and still die, or you skip the fight and clear the mission.

If i engagenin combat i dont die... my teammates dont die too.... i really hate this phrase but... perhaps you are not as good as you think?

And i dont want to repeat myself but... if you already have your firm opinion and dont want to hear other opinions, what was your intention with this thread? Pks dont say you are clown farming. That would be disappointing. But i dont see another reason

[Estellese]

Originally posted by BabyBeauty:

Originally posted by Anarchy:

You somewhat kind of are with the devs design philosophy of the higher difficulties

Not to say you can't also go guns blazing but they want you to stealth and whatnot even though a big draw for a lot of people is... the combat.

This is my stance. Meta is meta, most effective tactic available. We can gimp ourselves and do absolutely poorly, or we can run the meta and totally beat the system. There's no inbetween, there's no modicum of fun to be head because everything else fails so misarably.

I'm of course referring to helldive difficulty.

We lose the strugle, the panic, the funny possibilities of fighting and mishaps that occur during combat, and of course, the carthasis of success.

There is nothing to struggle about when death comes so instantly during combat, and success so easily when combat is avoidable completely.

Perhaps it's an issue at max level (2x 500kg bombs, 3x air strikes, faster cooldown orbital lasers, scorcher rifle being able to take out both tanks and turret towers).

I've tried to go a more gimped strategy, going rail gun, AMR, autocannon, laser canon + sickle, spear (too unreliable re: locking on, otherwise i'd probably replace my 500kg with this), shield backpack - the problem arises when dying, it's almost impossible to retrieve gear in helldive difficulty, and fighting automatons = death in helldive. Running away means only having air strikes, which is kind of rubbish in those destroy command centre missions where a single orbital laser and you can walk away without firing a shot.

There is no alternative, you either meta it and the game becomes overly easy, or you don't and you can just quit the mission cos it's never finishing.

That is a problem for you personally. Not for everyone else.

The rest of us can fight just fine. And losing your support, while it sucks, it isn't a big deal. The only bot you absolutely need it for is hulks. Everything else dies to your primary or grenades.

[Squidward Testicles]

have you ever thought about simply not caring about meta in a PvE game?

[Babyfaced Beauty]

Originally posted by Dynamiez:

Originally posted by BabyBeauty:

If you engage in fights with lets say, autocannon turret, shield generator, rail gun, and shield backpack, you die instantly.

That is what I mean, not using the 'META' strategy to fight, as you don't bother engaging in combat with the META.

You CAN NOT FIGHT AT ALL in helldive difficulty whatever other strategem you use as you can't kill the main army fast enough with weapons, and you can't survive if you attempted to run after engaging in any meaningful combat.

This is the problem. There is no flanking, no turtling, no bounding overwatch, nothing. You either rain all your strategems and still die, or you skip the fight and clear the mission.

If i engagenin combat i dont die... my teammates dont die too.... i really hate this phrase but... perhaps you are not as good as you think?

And i dont want to repeat myself but... if you already have your firm opinion and dont want to hear other opinions, what was your intention with this thread? Pks dont say you are clown farming. That would be disappointing. But i dont see another reason

Funny how there are other threads addressing the issue I'm trying to get at, and you don't seem to get, and are clearly clown farming yourself.

The automaton's unfairness when going against them in a fight regardless of tactics, is boring and filled with unfair deaths, due to there being no counterplay for 1 hit kos.

They have also made it such that you don't have to fight them by making the mission objectives significantly easier to target than the terminids.

Since I'm talking about Helldive mode, maybe you need to get your ass into a helldive difficulty loby and try actually seeing what's going on in there.

Automatons shred everyone in combat, there is no ifs, ands or buts.

They have designed the game like this. If you have managed to fight your way through, maybe you can post your strategies on how you did it, or screw off as your claims of superiority mean nothing, considering we don't even know what difficulty you're playing in or what strategems you're using. You could be lounging in "extreme" or "suicide mission" for all we know, where combat is still viable, to a degree depending on the map, and my post isn't targeting that difficulty in any way as you can do whatever you want, or meta it and it becomes an even greater snoozefest.

The design needs to change. Automatons have to be killable in a reasonably effective way without sudden deaths occuring. And no you can not flank them because once detected, regardless of distance, or direction, the can see you the moment you appear in direct line of sight to their head (regardless of whether or not they are facing you).

Since this is intended, combat is not possible except head on, and head on combat in helldive difficulty of enmass enemies is death, regardless of strategems.

So go ahead, share your supposedly superior strategems. Guess you don't have any because I've tried them all, there's nothing that can mitigate instant death reliiably.