Its not fascism, is really democracy.

[Seinekar]

The game is not a fascism satire, if you look at it well.

Its indeed about democracy. You are sent in name of high ideals to fight and die because the government decided so, and you are not forced at all, you just go there because you buy the stuff about being a hero, doing your part, making a difference, etc.

If the game ressembles something, is not fascism at all. Its very similar to most western democratic countries today, and clearly inspired on the USA patriotism and "freedom" mainly.

So when the games goes playing jokes about democracy... its actually no joke. thats how democracies work. Selling the individuals cool stories about duty, defending higher goods and whatever. You don´t need to look at fascism, comunism, monarchy or any authoritarian or "evil" system as to figure out from where helldivers is getting its inspiration.

Superearth government and helldivers are not a mockery of fascism. It is indeed showing clearly how real democratic countries do to send people willingly and proudly into wars for whatever reason.

Hell, helldivers is not even being exagerated, real military propaganda of most western, democratic-labeled countries, uses exactly the same kind of arguments and have the same vibes (patriotism, doing the grater good, becoming a better yourself, serving the greater cause, defending what is loved from external dangers...)

So, as said. HD2 fits perfectly on what nowadays we call democracy, so trying to see it as a satire of fascism, imperalism or whatever is totally unneeded.

[Modest Mauser]

I just want to shoot my dang guns at a robot.

[K3NSAI]

OK?

[capybaras are cool]

managed democracy? hah! we'd never have that. everyone always has the perfect amount of information available to them to make the most rational choices in their own self interest.

[Vespertellino]

Oh yeah it's def about fascism

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Seinekar:

Its indeed about democracy.

Managed Democracy is not Democracy. Go look it up.

Originally posted by Seinekar:

clearly inspired on the USA patriotism

No it is not. The USA doesn't have the market cornered on corporate greed, nationalist and populist rethoric or colonialism for the sake of capitalism.

Originally posted by Seinekar:

Superearth government and helldivers are not a mockery of fascism.

They literally are and you have been missing the point since you clearly don't understand what a managed democracy is.

Originally posted by Seinekar:

real military propaganda of most western, democratic-labeled countries, uses exactly the same kind of arguments and have the same vibes (patriotism, doing the grater good, becoming a better yourself, serving the greater cause, defending what is loved from external dangers...)

And you think communist and other forms of political constellations have different non patriotic rhetoric in their military? Seriously? Militarism is always the same and always employs the same rhetoric, regardless which country it is in. Militaries have, since the beginning of humanity, before there even was the concept of militaries, always employed the same "US vs Them" rhetoric of nationalist bunk. And patriotism is just more nationalist BS.

Originally posted by Seinekar:

So, as said. HD2 fits perfectly on what nowadays we call democracy, so trying to see it as a satire of fascism, imperalism or whatever is totally unneeded.

I don't think you are qualified to have an opinion on the subject as you seem to not even have noticed the word "managed" before that Democracy and simply decided that "dunno what that means, but i am going to assume its unimportant".

[Graf Vigah]

Super Earth more like The West womp womp

[K3NSAI]

I honestly don't understand this constant obsession to create political threads (real or fictional). I dunno man, go make an essay or go to a politics/fanfic forum :/

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by Anarchy:

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

yeah imo the whole point of the games satire is that democracy on its own is just meaningless. everyone has a vote! and theyre brutalized horrifically by their government.

The ppl the politics addicted people are saying this game parodies are actually so dumb because they don't realize it's parodying them too in a lot of ways since they're the only ones who ever say "Well I'm on the RIGHT side of history" which is an actual quote from the game lmfao.

A lot of people also don't realize Fascism =/= authoritarianism and are usually using redefinitions of Fascism that are so broad literally anything can be called fascism

And they don't know the differences or functions of fascism vs nazism at all but always conflate the two
They're definitely similar in some aspects, and both completely garbage just like marxism, but hey!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a
* dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy
* militarism
* forcible suppression of opposition
* belief in a natural social hierarchy
* subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race
* strong regimentation of society and the economy

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Name one of these that doesn't fit Super Earth

[Anarchy]

Originally posted by Vespertellino:

Originally posted by Anarchy:

The ppl the politics addicted people are saying this game parodies are actually so dumb because they don't realize it's parodying them too in a lot of ways since they're the only ones who ever say "Well I'm on the RIGHT side of history" which is an actual quote from the game lmfao.

A lot of people also don't realize Fascism =/= authoritarianism and are usually using redefinitions of Fascism that are so broad literally anything can be called fascism

And they don't know the differences or functions of fascism vs nazism at all but always conflate the two
They're definitely similar in some aspects, and both completely garbage just like marxism, but hey!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a
* dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy
* militarism
* forcible suppression of opposition
* belief in a natural social hierarchy
* subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race
* strong regimentation of society and the economy

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Name one of these that doesn't fit Super Earth

The same can also be said for marxist regimes

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

It's almost like......
They're not the only ones who can be militaristic???
(The only difference is really that they believe in social hierarchy and use tyranny to try and change the nature of man as per their own literature whereas the philosophy in fascism and nazism are similar but different in reasoning)

(This definition is also likely using one of the redefinitions that completely ignore what Fascism actually was, lol)

[Vespertellino]

Originally posted by Anarchy:

Originally posted by Vespertellino:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a
* dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy
* militarism
* forcible suppression of opposition
* belief in a natural social hierarchy
* subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race
* strong regimentation of society and the economy

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Name one of these that doesn't fit Super Earth

The same can also be said for marxist regimes

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

It's almost like......
They're not the only ones who can be militaristic???

Name one
That doesn't fit
Super Earth

It's not about being militaristic
It's about all of these combined
Get your argument together or take the L and move on

[Magus]

Satire is dead, there is only the meta

[Anarchy]

Originally posted by Vespertellino:

Originally posted by Anarchy:

The same can also be said for marxist regimes

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

It's almost like......
They're not the only ones who can be militaristic???

Name one
That doesn't fit
Super Earth

It's not about being militaristic
It's about all of these combined
Get your argument together or take the L and move on

You got your definition from wikipedia so I'm not really gonna entertain it since wikipedia has been ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with for ages now and isn't a reliable source and i know for a fact this article is using, again, redefinition from people who so broadly redefined fascism that literally any government or philosophy can be labeled fascist.

(They're definitely Authoritarian and not actually democratic or a republic of any kind though in terms of super earth!)

[His Divine Shadow]

It’s definitely fascism

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by K3NSAI:

I honestly don't understand this constant obsession to create political threads (real or fictional). I dunno man, go make an essay or go to a politics/fanfic forum :/

To much of social media is filled with this crap and it rots people's brains, while social media creators are literally monetarily rewarded to present the most outrageous instances and opinions possible in order to be contrarian and maintain their "fan base" of the perpetually outraged.

[His Divine Shadow]

Originally posted by Vespertellino:

Originally posted by Anarchy:

The ppl the politics addicted people are saying this game parodies are actually so dumb because they don't realize it's parodying them too in a lot of ways since they're the only ones who ever say "Well I'm on the RIGHT side of history" which is an actual quote from the game lmfao.

A lot of people also don't realize Fascism =/= authoritarianism and are usually using redefinitions of Fascism that are so broad literally anything can be called fascism

And they don't know the differences or functions of fascism vs nazism at all but always conflate the two
They're definitely similar in some aspects, and both completely garbage just like marxism, but hey!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a
* dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy
* militarism
* forcible suppression of opposition
* belief in a natural social hierarchy
* subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race
* strong regimentation of society and the economy

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Name one of these that doesn't fit Super Earth

Just warning you that guy will not argue in good faith and will start to stalk you if you keep arguing with him