Early extract callers must be kicked !!! #Bug propaganda

[Terry Tibbs]

The Rant:

Have you ever been in a situation when away from extract with many samples on you. There is still 25 minutes left in mission and that one LVL 50 dude runs away from the team and is calling extract? Obviously it is an insta kick. How someone can be so stupid and selfish to do that?!

The face slap

Except. Your outrage might be matching your ignorance and lack of knowledge in game mechanics.

The explanation

Read and learn. You call the evacuation pelican. When the timer hits zero and it is about to land - you leave extract. The pelican will hover over and provide fire support. If you do it this way it will land only when mission time runs out or a player reenters the exfill zone. Now pay attention: It is sentry size auto-cannon positioned high over the extract firing at any enemy in line of sigh.

The doubt

But good sir, how do I know he is doing it? You might ask. Well... Look at the map, Is he at the edge of extract zone - away from the beacon? Is he dropping spare equipment and supplies?

The enlightenment

He might, indeed, be prepping the extract for the rest of you.


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TLDR for mentally challenged: You can make the Pelican to hover over extract and fire its auto-cannon while you keep roaming the map.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpC1N4MbWb4

[Capt twilight]

You sir are a moron, Learn the mechanics of the game noob cake

[Garou]

useless take on the game and false information you can call the extraction and wait for your team since the timer wont start if you dont go into the ship.

learn your democracy better you communist

[Rhuya]

Originally posted by Spyx:

I don't want to spend 40 minutes in the mission, so I go to the extraction. If you can't get in, well, that's your problem.

then you get booted and get to waste any time you did spend.

[Rhuya]

Originally posted by Immanis:

FYI, just having your ass within 100m of the extraction zone will accelerate patrol spawn by adding more heat to the heat bucket, and calling it trigger the lowest time to spawn possible for the difficulty you're in, coming from the edges of the map if you've cleaned all the nest, or from the direction of the closest nest you didn't close.

You're better using that time to visit the POIs the squad didn't, instead of needlessly spawning patrols.

FYI, when you are separated by more than 75m, the game create another heat bucket for that player group. Which mean you spawn even more patrols (up to a cap)

I've seen this mentioned before but no one is able to cite a source on it. Can you?

[Aldain]

Scorching hot take here, but maybe people shouldn't be spending every single second of a 40 minute mission timer every single time?

Yes, I agree that rushing extraction and turning every mission into "Gone in 360 seconds" isn't good either, but there's got to be some sort of mid point between mindless speedrunning and spending every possible second in a mission for no real benefit.

[Rhuya]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Scorching hot take here, but maybe people shouldn't be spending every single second of a 40 minute mission timer every single time?

Yes, I agree that rushing extraction and turning every mission into "Gone in 360 seconds" isn't good either, but there's got to be some sort of mid point between mindless speedrunning and spending every possible second in a mission for no real benefit.

I mean, at level 50 there are only a few benefits, medals, supercredits and samples. The requisition points are usually capped and you don't need xp. So the only thing left is the enjoyment of the mission/gameplay and the mentioned above currencies. Which you get through cleaning stuff out properly. You definitely shouldn't be running down the clock though. Get what you can and get out.

[capybaras are cool]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Scorching hot take here, but maybe people shouldn't be spending every single second of a 40 minute mission timer every single time?

Yes, I agree that rushing extraction and turning every mission into "Gone in 360 seconds" isn't good either, but there's got to be some sort of mid point between mindless speedrunning and spending every possible second in a mission for no real benefit.

go make your own lobbies if you want to tell other people what to do. its that simple.

[Ordaeli]

Originally posted by Plagen:

I don't get why people feel the need to do EVERYTHING on a map before leaving. Let's just do things on the way to our objective and locate the Super Samples. After that, why bother going to close nests that only result in 50xp at most? Or collect that extra 10 common samples, when you could just play another mission in the time it takes you to explore the map and get more than 10.

Cause I just enjoy clearing objectives and sweeping an area. I don't Care about efficiency but doing what's fun. If someone in my lobby calls in extraction, I'll kick simply because it's not their call to do and I'm not running thé risk of them boarding just because they're in a hurry.

If i'm in someone else's lobby, I follow their ping and let them tackle their extraction or whatever whenever they want.
Simple courtesy when not the host.

[Terry Tibbs]

If only people had an attention span longer than reading the headline. Most people missed my point completely.

Originally posted by Ident-50:

Originally posted by Immanis:

FYI (...)

I have read the reddit post just as you did. But reading and understanding it are two separate things. Also the reddit OP clearly stated that those are only his theories, even if rather plausible.

Reddit post for people with time to spare:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bdudf3/lets_talk_about_patrols_an_in_depth_analysis_of/

[Doombunny]

If the team has less than 5 reinf tickets left, i'm calling extraction as soon as possible after primary objs are complete. I dont care how much time is left because you all act lemmings.

[Pyronymer]

So sources on extract causing more heat... are theories from some guy.

But the game itself in a load screen tells you the longer you stay in a mission the worse enemy spawns get.

Is that not true? Is it a flat out lie? Spawns do seem to get worse. I have NEVER seen a "waah only extract at time out" bad host EVER address that.

[Terry Tibbs]

Originally posted by Pyronymer:

So sources on extract causing more heat... are theories from some guy.

There are common game designs that carry across many games. Some of them are present here as well. Certain assumptions can be made with high probability. Even if the data was not mined or dev confirmed.

I consider the reddit post quite accurate and it reflects my experience a lot. Is it the truth? A theory is never true, it is just not proven to be false.

The so called aggo-bucket when you split a team and bug-breach triggering can be played for benefit of entire team. But it requires game experience - not just knowledge of theory.

Ever wandered why a team of three is fighting like crazy draining reinforcements, when a solo guy easy clears all objectives?

[Pyronymer]

Originally posted by Ident-50:

There are common game designs that carry across many games.

You waffled on but did not answer my question.

Extraction causing heat is unconfirmed speculation.

Taking too long to extract because the enemy spawn gets stronger with mission time is or at least was in loading screen tips.

You are happy to believe the speculation. Isn't the loading screen tip a higher evidentiary standard and in direct contradiction of extracting at time out always being a good idea.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Ident-50:

Have you ever been in a situation when away from extract with many samples on you. There is still 25 minutes left in mission and that one LVL 50 dude runs away from the team and is calling extract? Obviously it is an insta kick. How someone can be so stupid and selfish to do that?!

It takes over a minute for the Extract to come in and you are wasting your time trying to farm everything. It is much more beneficial to everyone if you just do your mission. Grab what you can on the way to the mission and extract with what you have, than to try and do everything.

You'll get more exp, requisition and actually importantly Medals by doing this. If you have 50% of an available resource and the important resource of Rare and Common Samples (which in my experience is the most sacred) you are wasting everyone's time for trying to 100% those values.

Grab the resources you have and instead go into a new mission to grab more easily available samples, instead of endlessly slogging through the wilderness.

You are just wasting your and the teams time to "farm". You will cap out everything you need by just regular play before you hit level 50, unless you never enter a Suicide and above mission difficulty.

Originally posted by Ident-50:

Read and learn. You call the pelican. Then, when the timer hits zero and it is about to land, you leave extract. Evacuation pelican will hover over and provide fire support. Now pay attention: It is a line of sight auto-cannon covering your approach. The pelican will land only when mission time runs out or a player reenters the exfill zone.

The Pelican will remain parked, after landing for an indefinite amount of time, unless you ran the clock, in which case the Emergency Pelican will land and leave again in a few seconds. But as long as you still have time on the clock the Pelican lift off timer only starts after one helldiver entered. If that Helldiver also has most of the samples... who cares about the stragglers for those extra 5 or 10 of exp.

[Terry Tibbs]

Originally posted by Pyronymer:

Originally posted by Ident-50:

There are common game designs that carry across many games.

You waffled on but did not answer my question.

Your question: "Is that not true? Is it a flat out lie?"
My answer: Go investigate it yourself because otherwise it is just a speculation.