P-19 Redeemer needs nerfed

[Nani Sore]

I am able to run away infinitely while shooting behind me one handed and two tapping hunters with a mag capacity of 31 and a fast reload while on the move. This is trivializing the 40+ hunter hordes that are supposedly replacing chargers and bile titans.

[Daliena]

Publicado originalmente por Dark Abyss:

Hey guys I know it has been a while since I made this post, but seriously, is there any single person using a sidearm besides the P-19. They just released a laser pistol and it is utter trash. I really don't understand what the devs are trying to do. The P-19 needs a nerf. At best I should spend half a clip to kill a hunter but if we are comparing it to the laser pistol it should take multiple clips to kill one out of 40 hunters that are zerging my ass down.

Or.. We make the other sidearms not be so bad that it'd be more efficient to just put it under your own chin and pull the trigger, then respawn with some ammo.

[Raymond]

bro, there is no way that pistol got enough ammo to kill 20 hunters. You telling me you killed 40 of them? bs

[Silverlight]

Publicado originalmente por YariMurai:

bro, there is no way that pistol got enough ammo to kill 20 hunters. You telling me you killed 40 of them? bs

Semi auto it can 1-3 tap a hunter

[Nani Sore]

Publicado originalmente por YariMurai:

bro, there is no way that pistol got enough ammo to kill 20 hunters. You telling me you killed 40 of them? bs

No for real, it takes two shots to the head to kill a hunter and you get 31 shots per mag. I also use the slugger, I play a game of precision.

[Dakota]

Publicado originalmente por Dark Abyss:

Publicado originalmente por YariMurai:

bro, there is no way that pistol got enough ammo to kill 20 hunters. You telling me you killed 40 of them? bs

No for real, it takes two shots to the head to kill a hunter and you get 31 shots per mag. I also use the slugger, I play a game of precision.

Yeah, it's really kinda amazing how terrible the weapon balance is in this game. There's literally no downside to the redeemer over the base pistol for example, same damage, less recoil, way higher potential rate of fire, like double the rounds per mag, more total ammo given, and you can still semi auto fire it if you want to use it efficiently instead of blowing 30 rounds into one bug up close in a couple seconds.

[Silverlight]

Publicado originalmente por Dakota:

Publicado originalmente por Dark Abyss:

No for real, it takes two shots to the head to kill a hunter and you get 31 shots per mag. I also use the slugger, I play a game of precision.

Yeah, it's really kinda amazing how terrible the weapon balance is in this game. There's literally no downside to the redeemer over the base pistol for example, same damage, less recoil, way higher potential rate of fire, like double the rounds per mag, more total ammo given, and you can still semi auto fire it if you want to use it efficiently instead of blowing 30 rounds into one bug up close in a couple seconds.

It's just a weird mix of philosophies . Plenty of games work in a way that each new gun is just an upgrade- but that logic doesn't apply to any other category or gun in HD2

[Nani Sore]

Publicado originalmente por Dakota:

Publicado originalmente por Dark Abyss:

No for real, it takes two shots to the head to kill a hunter and you get 31 shots per mag. I also use the slugger, I play a game of precision.

Yeah, it's really kinda amazing how terrible the weapon balance is in this game. There's literally no downside to the redeemer over the base pistol for example, same damage, less recoil, way higher potential rate of fire, like double the rounds per mag, more total ammo given, and you can still semi auto fire it if you want to use it efficiently instead of blowing 30 rounds into one bug up close in a couple seconds.

I wish I understood the devs vision. You would think it would be an effort of different but equal, but no, its one weapon is good the rest are not viable and when you call them out on it they ask you why they would re balance weapons this soon when they can instead nerf the rail gun.

[Dakota]

Publicado originalmente por Silverlight:

Publicado originalmente por Dakota:

Yeah, it's really kinda amazing how terrible the weapon balance is in this game. There's literally no downside to the redeemer over the base pistol for example, same damage, less recoil, way higher potential rate of fire, like double the rounds per mag, more total ammo given, and you can still semi auto fire it if you want to use it efficiently instead of blowing 30 rounds into one bug up close in a couple seconds.

It's just a weird mix of philosophies . Plenty of games work in a way that each new gun is just an upgrade- but that logic doesn't apply to any other category or gun in HD2

But only the redeemer is really good in that category. The newest laser pistol is the worst pistol of them all.

[Dakota]

Publicado originalmente por Dark Abyss:

Publicado originalmente por Dakota:

Yeah, it's really kinda amazing how terrible the weapon balance is in this game. There's literally no downside to the redeemer over the base pistol for example, same damage, less recoil, way higher potential rate of fire, like double the rounds per mag, more total ammo given, and you can still semi auto fire it if you want to use it efficiently instead of blowing 30 rounds into one bug up close in a couple seconds.

I wish I understood the devs vision. You would think it would be an effort of different but equal, but no, its one weapon is good the rest are not viable and when you call them out on it they ask you why they would re balance weapons this soon when they can instead nerf the rail gun.

Just seems like bad decision making and lack of proper planning and testing, which is far too common among many balance teams across many games.

[Salty Slothy]

Why is everyone’s reaction to nerf everything?

[Nani Sore]

Publicado originalmente por Salty Slothy:

Why is everyone’s reaction to nerf everything?

Because of how the devs responded. They said that all weapons are supposed to be trash except for stratagems unless that stratagem is the rail gun because they didn't think of that before they responded with that ignorant statement.

[asura]

Publicado originalmente por Salty Slothy:

Why is everyone’s reaction to nerf everything?

If you look back to the railgun drama, you'll see that everyone diluted the game to soloing everything with a PS5 host using bubble+railgun+breaker+redeemer.

While technically their own fault, the developers are left with a game that has nearly no content. There was absolutely no reason to use anything else in the game.

The majority of PUG you would run into would kick for non-breaker+railgun+bubble gear.

If you go look through some of the trash above you'll see people claiming that "at higher difficulties" (this is always the random go-to for weak players) you have to have the redeemer - but other people never see their sidearm at higher difficulties because we're using the content in stratagems and support weapons. Relying on support and 'gems (and your team) is what the developer has said their intent was.

People claim things like the railgun nerf are going to destroy the player count on this game as people get frustrated and leave. But if this was turned into RailgunDivers then even more people would leave since it's a singleplayer snoozefest with borked mechanics.