Why so many complaints about the warbond system?

[Daddy-Driveby]

It's the least predatory microtransaction system I have ever seen. You can earn sc ingame in a reasonalbe amount of time. There are even guides out there on how to farm them. The prices (if you can't wait or play?) are absoloutly fair. Im wondering if they even make money with that right now. Usefullness aside, I really don't understand why so many complain, when there are other games that want more money from you for a single skin than this game costs. Its really not that bad of a system and I really wish other games would be this fair too.

[Nistrega]

Originally posted by decizion:

Originally posted by Calv:

Doesn't your baby Exoprimal have a battle pass?
That has zero ways to unlock through in-game play?

Exoprimal battle pass contains only cosmetics unlike Helldivers 2 which is literally hiding weapons behind paywalls.

I haven't paid a dime for the weapons. Weird!

[⛧Vinn⛧]

Originally posted by decizion:

Originally posted by Calv:

Doesn't your baby Exoprimal have a battle pass?
That has zero ways to unlock through in-game play?

Exoprimal battle pass contains only cosmetics unlike Helldivers 2 which is literally hiding weapons behind paywalls.

again misinfo lol. no paywalls, its - you can pay but you dont have to. and its not hard to get the super creds by playing. stop lying.

Originally posted by hi friends:

as long as we don't get nerfs on how fast we get sc, then i'm fine with current warbond system.

buying sc should be either way to support devs, or skip completely optional bit of grind cuz you are lazy, not for it to become huge grind nightmare which reminds you of warfarm.

as this person even says they really like the system and is not upset for no reason :)

[⛧Vinn⛧]

Originally posted by Nistrega:

Originally posted by decizion:

Exoprimal battle pass contains only cosmetics unlike Helldivers 2 which is literally hiding weapons behind paywalls.

I haven't paid a dime for the weapons. Weird!

yea must be a glitch

[Nistrega]

Originally posted by decizion:

Originally posted by Calv:

Not really a pay wall if you can earn it through standard game play, is it?

Grinding boring missions over and over again doing chores to earn the premium currency is not what I would call « standard gameplay ».

Why you here then? You got 3000 games to play. Go play some Warframe. lol

[⛧Vinn⛧]

Originally posted by decizion:

Originally posted by Calv:

Not really a pay wall if you can earn it through standard game play, is it?

Grinding boring missions over and over again doing chores to earn the premium currency is not what I would call « standard gameplay ».

lol your problem isnt the game its yourself. if a game is a chore to me i stop playing it and dont bother with it. youre so bored and have nothing to do so you just say dumb sh.t on the internet for... reasons...? i guess xD

[⛧Vinn⛧]

this thread got r.tarded real fast guys

[hi friends]

Originally posted by ⛧Vinn⛧:

Originally posted by decizion:

Exoprimal battle pass contains only cosmetics unlike Helldivers 2 which is literally hiding weapons behind paywalls.

again misinfo lol. no paywalls, its - you can pay but you dont have to. and its not hard to get the super creds by playing. stop lying.

Originally posted by hi friends:

as long as we don't get nerfs on how fast we get sc, then i'm fine with current warbond system.

buying sc should be either way to support devs, or skip completely optional bit of grind cuz you are lazy, not for it to become huge grind nightmare which reminds you of warfarm.

as this person even says they really like the system and is not upset for no reason :)

well tbh I do not like "battlepass" kind of system, but you'd get enough sc to pay at least 4 warbonds by the time i'd unlock most of my 1st warbond. the rate right now is imo perfect, but i'd change my opinion if we did get nerf on that.

[APAC_Starthan]

try war thunder , after that you gonna think Helldiver's dev are saints.

[Daddy-Driveby]

Well those are some answers. Still don't understand the problem. Like if you remove the store where you can buy sc with real money, is the problem gone then? It would still be the same as before but you can only get them ingame like the samples. And nobody complaints about the samples right? The rate of sc you get is just borderline unfair for the devs. Im working 40 hours a week and im 20sc away from unlocking the second warbond. And I am mostly a solo diver. Am I missing something?

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by TwinChops:

Originally posted by Soldner42:

DLC/AddOns arent MTX.

You ever looked at Helldivers? No? Well .... Those DLC's are 100% more MTX then DLC, and they're even pay2win af. Here you can really easy get those 1k sc for free by just playing the game.
Like quite littery walk around in lowest or second lowest difficulty with the laser drone and yoou dont even need to fight.

You are using Words you dont even understand.
My Profile is Public, you could have just looked up my Profile and would see that i own Helldivers 1.
I also own all the "DLC's"

I never said that if its a DLC, its good.
I said, a DLC isnt MTX.

How is anything you said related to anything i said?

I saw how we went from big, mostly good AddOns, to this MTX BS.
Its always the same, and its always the same People defending that BS.

DLCs in Helldivers 1 or other Games. Offering the least amount of effort from the Devs, but asking for high Prices is how MTX will end, then they will think about a new method of getting Money from the Players.

Look up Arrowheads other Games, like Magicka. Look at these DLCs, compare them to Helldivers 1.

Now look at Helldivers 2, and tell me you dont see a pattern there.
Thats why im against any further Monetization in Games.
They have no reason to be there other than to get more Money for whoever is greedy enough to collect it.

Over 200K players bought HD2 alone on Steam, plus PS with unknown amount of Numbers.
Look at the Price of the Game. Do the Math for yourself.

Less People bought No Mans Sky, and this Game gave People over Years, big Content Updates without asking for more Money.

Arrowhead Games doesnt need to implement MTX, DLCs, AddOns to comfortably Support this Game over Years with good Content.

They collected enough Money to start Development on their next Project, they already have enough Funds collected.
AND in addition to that, be able to Support HD2 with new good Content.

If anyone really thinks, that any income from that MTX Store will be redirected to the Game, as in, Servers or whatever else is lying to himself, knowingly or unknowingly.

This MTX Store will get way more agressive, just like the DLCs in HD1 and all their other Games got more Agressive and lazy.

Im baffled that you make that comparsion with HD1 even yourself and dont see what they did there and what they will do here. Its baffling to say the least.

[TwinChops]

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Originally posted by TwinChops:

You ever looked at Helldivers? No? Well .... Those DLC's are 100% more MTX then DLC, and they're even pay2win af. Here you can really easy get those 1k sc for free by just playing the game.
Like quite littery walk around in lowest or second lowest difficulty with the laser drone and yoou dont even need to fight.

You are using Words you dont even understand.
My Profile is Public, you could have just looked up my Profile and would see that i own Helldivers 1.
I also own all the "DLC's"

I never said that if its a DLC, its good.
I said, a DLC isnt MTX.

How is anything you said related to anything i said?

I saw how we went from big, mostly good AddOns, to this MTX BS.
Its always the same, and its always the same People defending that BS.

DLCs in Helldivers 1 or other Games. Offering the least amount of effort from the Devs, but asking for high Prices is how MTX will end, then they will think about a new method of getting Money from the Players.

Look up Arrowheads other Games, like Magicka. Look at these DLCs, compare them to Helldivers 1.

Now look at Helldivers 2, and tell me you dont see a pattern there.
Thats why im against any further Monetization in Games.
They have no reason to be there other than to get more Money for whoever is greedy enough to collect it.

Over 200K players bought HD2 alone on Steam, plus PS with unknown amount of Numbers.
Look at the Price of the Game. Do the Math for yourself.

Less People bought No Mans Sky, and this Game gave People over Years, big Content Updates without asking for more Money.

Arrowhead Games doesnt need to implement MTX, DLCs, AddOns to comfortably Support this Game over Years with good Content.

They collected enough Money to start Development on their next Project, they already have enough Funds collected.
AND in addition to that, be able to Support HD2 with new good Content.

If anyone really thinks, that any income from that MTX Store will be redirected to the Game, as in, Servers or whatever else is lying to himself, knowingly or unknowingly.

This MTX Store will get way more agressive, just like the DLCs in HD1 and all their other Games got more Agressive and lazy.

Im baffled that you make that comparsion with HD1 even yourself and dont see what they did there and what they will do here. Its baffling to say the least.

Thats alot of Bla Bla for something you dont seem to understand, there is litterly ZERO need to buy any SC with real money, just play the game like you would anyways and in no time you have way over 1k sc to get the pass and even enough medal to get something out of it.
I hat like 32 hours or so and had over 1,5k SC without grinding for it, by just playing!

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by Daddy-Driveby:

Well those are some answers. Still don't understand the problem. Like if you remove the store where you can buy sc with real money, is the problem gone then? It would still be the same as before but you can only get them ingame like the samples. And nobody complaints about the samples right? The rate of sc you get is just borderline unfair for the devs. Im working 40 hours a week and im 20sc away from unlocking the second warbond. And I am mostly a solo diver. Am I missing something?

If the Store wouldnt be there, it would be less grindy to not make the Gameplay worse.
MTX Stores are intentionally Grindy to encourage buying ♥♥♥♥.
Look at Assassins Creed Odyssey and its MTX Store.
Well... you can earn stuff. it just takes Hundreds of Hours to maybe get 1 Full Set of Armor. OR. you spend 15€.. in an up to 110€ Game. .. a Singleplayer Game.

MTX is on the same level as FOMO.
Its only reason to exist is to brainwash People into accepting it and buying ♥♥♥♥.

And looking at this thread, it works. People accept it willingly and even encourage it.
This MTX Store is Successful. And it wont go away now. It will be just like the one in GTA:Online, it starts slow. but at some Point you reach the sunken cost fallacy, and People wont neither stop playing nor paying for ♥♥♥♥, even tho everything just got worse.
Thats how these ♥♥♥♥ Stores work. And it works every time. And People are always the same.

Go to other successful Games with MTX Stores. Look at the discussions about the MTX Store at the Start, and then look at much later Discussions of said Stores in these Games. The pattern is always the same.

Nobody, ever, did implement something or put Work into something without expecting it be working as intended. And a Store is there to sell stuff. And this one will get more Aggressive, just like every other Store will. Its their only Purpose. To make as much Money as possible.

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by TwinChops:

Originally posted by Soldner42:

You are using Words you dont even understand.
My Profile is Public, you could have just looked up my Profile and would see that i own Helldivers 1.
I also own all the "DLC's"

I never said that if its a DLC, its good.
I said, a DLC isnt MTX.

How is anything you said related to anything i said?

I saw how we went from big, mostly good AddOns, to this MTX BS.
Its always the same, and its always the same People defending that BS.

DLCs in Helldivers 1 or other Games. Offering the least amount of effort from the Devs, but asking for high Prices is how MTX will end, then they will think about a new method of getting Money from the Players.

Look up Arrowheads other Games, like Magicka. Look at these DLCs, compare them to Helldivers 1.

Now look at Helldivers 2, and tell me you dont see a pattern there.
Thats why im against any further Monetization in Games.
They have no reason to be there other than to get more Money for whoever is greedy enough to collect it.

Over 200K players bought HD2 alone on Steam, plus PS with unknown amount of Numbers.
Look at the Price of the Game. Do the Math for yourself.

Less People bought No Mans Sky, and this Game gave People over Years, big Content Updates without asking for more Money.

Arrowhead Games doesnt need to implement MTX, DLCs, AddOns to comfortably Support this Game over Years with good Content.

They collected enough Money to start Development on their next Project, they already have enough Funds collected.
AND in addition to that, be able to Support HD2 with new good Content.

If anyone really thinks, that any income from that MTX Store will be redirected to the Game, as in, Servers or whatever else is lying to himself, knowingly or unknowingly.

This MTX Store will get way more agressive, just like the DLCs in HD1 and all their other Games got more Agressive and lazy.

Im baffled that you make that comparsion with HD1 even yourself and dont see what they did there and what they will do here. Its baffling to say the least.

Thats alot of Bla Bla for something you dont seem to understand, there is litterly ZERO need to buy any SC with real money, just play the game like you would anyways and in no time you have way over 1k sc to get the pass and even enough medal to get something out of it.
I hat like 32 hours or so and had over 1,5k SC without grinding for it, by just playing!

conragts, you neither understood what i tried to say, nor how these Stores work. But good that you are defending them and the Company that doesnt give a ♥♥♥♥ about you.

[hi friends]

Originally posted by APAC_Starthan:

try war thunder , after that you gonna think Helldiver's dev are saints.

except warthunder isn't pay to play in first place, it's f2p. it's bad comparison.

[Dreepa]

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Originally posted by Dreepa:

So no DLC or additional content ever for a paid game?
Why?

DLC/AddOns arent MTX.

Whats the difference?
I buy DLC for other games that do the same like here: New weapons, new armor, etc.

I dont see the difference other than the way you interprete and name it.