So why is the Sickle so much better than the Scythe?

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

So the new laser primary in the warbond is the Las- 16 Sickle, and this thing's basically the Stalwart machine gun primary people have been wanting. Fast fire rate, good damage, low recoil, 6 heatsinks, and if you just don''t overheat them all, infinite ammo. It doesn't even look like a beam weapon, it just looks like it fires yellow tracer bullets, so it's just a better AR even for the weirdos that hate flashy fake sci-fi guns.

So it's great. But it makes me wonder... why isn't the Scythe like this? It's basically the same weapon, but it sucks more. What's the point? They handle almost exactly the same, they're even both yellow. The only thing I can think of is that the scythe cools off faster, so it's like more "efficient" with the heatsink. That doesn't matter though, just keep overheating the rifle until you're down to 1 heatsink if you want. People are always going to pick the gun that outputs more.

I was thinking they're going to make changes, so why not make the scythe do more limb damage? Beams should cut through things pretty easily. Disarm berserker bots more easily, cut the legs off the bugs (funny, in a psycho kinda way to watch them stumble around angry) The new sickle is more like traditional bullets -- they penetrate, not cut.

[Aethrys]

It has a warm up time that works like a chain gun's spin up time, so it's allowed to slap harder.

[sgt.longbow]

i feel all the lazer weapons need a rework. but the scythe will likely get nerfed.

[asura]

I think the original intent of something like the Scythe was to build up heat damage over time that would... I dunno... maybe slow down robots or something? It works on anything with an exposed vent including turrets, iirc.

It just doesn't seem to work right. You would assume the beam would do progressively more damage while it's hitting the same target but it seems to have a normal tick. You would think it would progressively build up more and more heat.

How it should work per tick: +5 +10 +15 +25 +50 +75
How it seems to work: +5 +5 +5 +5 +5

[Nokturnal]

The devs really need to buff the underperforming weapons so can get more options. The new Laser Pistol and Scythe even on a Cold Planet are just terrible. If they add the Illuminate and that's what we gotta use it's going to suck.

[BigDaddyBulgyWulgy420]

what makes you think they want all weapons to be usable?

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by Nokturnal:

The devs really need to buff the underperforming weapons so can get more options. The new Laser Pistol and Scythe even on a Cold Planet are just terrible. If they add the Illuminate and that's what we gotta use it's going to suck.

The new laser pistol is better than the base pistol but worse than p-19

It's tied with revolver. Just imo.

[ImHelping]

Because beams in THEORY should be great. But on top of the trash spares and actual heat meter situation of the beam rifle?

Reality is your aim wobbling because of bad on purpose handling (zero recoil means nothing here), and taking a stiff breeze of return damage making your aim wildly sway to the side (Which can make even the heavy machinegun suck at close combat).

new laser assault rifle, being a laser assault rifle, means it spits out the "full" damage per second for real. on top of having actually proper heat capacity and spares.

Beam? on a robo skull for 0.001 seconds before they shoot back and interrupt you. BULLETS? from defender SMG or new laser rifle? will have done proper damage before they return fire.

The new laser is just GENERIC. It is OKAY. It still won't save you when dealing with 4-6 stalkers of surrounded by 5 chainsaw robots like a shotgun.

However, because the basic beam laser is absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the face of reality? Expect a lot of people to cry the new laser is "overpowered"

Expect the devs to at minimum slash the spares on the new laser rifle down to 3 instead of 6 (and no longer getting a full 6 sinks on a supply pack) in time for the new warbond.

It is probably Not ♥♥♥♥ to tempt people to buy credits to finally own an assault rifle better than call of duty garbage. then they an nerf it and brag "See? Not pay 2 win!" once the SC pack earnings dry up again.

[Silverlight]

The laser orbital is what the laser cannon should be.
The laser cannon is what the laser rifle should be
The laser rifle is what the laser pistol should be.
And I'm not kidding.

[That person]

Sickle was even better in the first game, didn't even have the charge up time and if you fired it semi automatically, it could fire endlessly without ever overheating!
And it had a much cooler noise :)
The scythe was always the underdog

[Lucky Cat]

The damage output is superior to the Scythe and unlike the Scythe, comes with a adjustable scope. It really tears limbs like it should, even the Scythe couldn't do well against Brood Commanders until the Sickle came around.

[DarkFenix]

Originally posted by That person:

Sickle was even better in the first game, didn't even have the charge up time and if you fired it semi automatically, it could fire endlessly without ever overheating!
And it had a much cooler noise :)
The scythe was always the underdog

This. I miss having a gun that shoots when I pull the trigger.

[Khloros]

I have said it before, and ill say it again, STOP judging the beam weapons at the moment. We still need to see what the illuminate look like. We know for a fact that illuminate use shields, so there is a very very good chance that beam weapons are going to be AMAZING against them.

So the reason as to "Why is the scythe not like the sickle" is because the Scythe is meant to be the answer to something we are not fighting yet.

[DarkFenix]

Originally posted by Khloros:

I have said it before, and ill say it again, STOP judging the beam weapons at the moment. We still need to see what the illuminate look like. We know for a fact that illuminate use shields, so there is a very very good chance that beam weapons are going to be AMAZING against them.

So the reason as to "Why is the scythe not like the sickle" is because the Scythe is meant to be the answer to something we are not fighting yet.

It was dumb when you said it before, it's still dumb. We should judge the game on the state it's in, not some imaginary state it might or might not be in 6 months down the line.

[rdkehoe]

Gotta make it good enough for people to spend supercredits, duh

[Khloros]

Originally posted by DarkFenix:

Originally posted by Khloros:

I have said it before, and ill say it again, STOP judging the beam weapons at the moment. We still need to see what the illuminate look like. We know for a fact that illuminate use shields, so there is a very very good chance that beam weapons are going to be AMAZING against them.

So the reason as to "Why is the scythe not like the sickle" is because the Scythe is meant to be the answer to something we are not fighting yet.

It was dumb when you said it before, it's still dumb. We should judge the game on the state it's in, not some imaginary state it might or might not be in 6 months down the line.

If you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, your going to think its stupid.

If you are wondering why you cant drive a nail with a screw driver, its not the screw drivers fault you are using the wrong tool for the job.