Punisher Plasma is underwhelming

[LMBits]

Like really WTF are they thinking when creating weapons. Try it for yourself.

[Kathrynerius]

Originally posted by LMBits:

Originally posted by Bill Waggoner™:

Hear me out here. Your Plasma shotgun becomes your support weapon and you carry a Stalwart/Machine gun as your primary.

Not convinced this weapon can be better than the grenade launcher. At least from my testing the AOE was pretty small and the enemies need to be really packed otherwise it's pretty bad. The grenade launcher has much more AOE so it's more effective.

I would hope it's not better than the grenade launcher. It's a stratagem, they should always be stronger than primaries.

[LMBits]

Originally posted by Kathrynerius:

Originally posted by LMBits:

So you can kill a charger and it can barely kill mobs. No way. Also the main weapon is not meant to kill heavy enemies. Is meant to control small enemies and it barely can. If at least would make them slower or something. Who's gonna use that when you can use the grenade launcher which is way more effective against small enemies.

This gun 1-2 shots most mobs, and the grenade is a strategem. It's also a primary that can kill a charger without a support weapon.

Yes the problem is I was expecting this to be a good crowd controller as it looks like having AOE it should do that but IMO the area is just too small. I don't care if it can kill a charger when you are overrun by 100 smaller enemies. Well if you are gonna have a machine gun then yes you can survive easier but I don't think I would take that weapon just to kill chargers.

[LMBits]

Originally posted by Kathrynerius:

Originally posted by LMBits:

Not convinced this weapon can be better than the grenade launcher. At least from my testing the AOE was pretty small and the enemies need to be really packed otherwise it's pretty bad. The grenade launcher has much more AOE so it's more effective.

I would hope it's not better than the grenade launcher. It's a stratagem, they should always be stronger than primaries.

Yes I am comparing 2 weapons of similar type due to the AOE nothing else. You got similar type of weapons as primary and stratagems.

[Cyroy]

Originally posted by YakozakiSora:

Originally posted by Mandalorian Deathknight:

that weapon can kill a charger let the explosive hit under them

a weapon that can barely kill a hunter can apparently kill chargers by 'hitting under them' when their ass is the only thing that takes regular damage from primaries and secondaries...what brand of weed are you high on?

It literally one-shots hunters and when it doesn't, it ragdolls them around for easy follow ups, what are you smoking?

[Steak]

Why is the projectile so slow and heavy lmao, It's completely useless against bots.

[Cyroy]

Originally posted by Slick:

Why is the projectile so slow and heavy lmao, It's completely useless against bots.

It's literally one of the best weapons to use against bots right now lmao.

[Qua2ar]

Originally posted by Cyroy:

Originally posted by Slick:

Why is the projectile so slow and heavy lmao, It's completely useless against bots.

It's literally one of the best weapons to use against bots right now lmao.

Scorcher exists.

[Anarchy]

Originally posted by Mandalorian Deathknight:

that weapon can kill a charger let the explosive hit under them

I do the same thing with an impact nade or two and the scorcher so yeh.

[Zheppon]

Originally posted by Cyroy:

Originally posted by Slick:

Why is the projectile so slow and heavy lmao, It's completely useless against bots.

It's literally one of the best weapons to use against bots right now lmao.

scorcher do the job more better than thing slime lobber

[Dr. Phoenix]

I got almost 600 kills with that weapon while my friends that was using other weapons such as breaker only got 200 kills.

I pretty much stagger locked a whole swarm during an extraction and getting nice multi kills up to 70 very easily.

People just need to learn on how to use that weapon effective

[Wraith]

that plasma punisher take out spewers faster then any other primary I use

It amazing given how tanky those spewers are at the high difficulty

[Is This Your Card? 69]

Originally posted by LMBits:

Like really WTF are they thinking when creating weapons. Try it for yourself.

Plasma SG does a pretty fast job at killing Chargers if you aim underneath it.
You can kill a charger with 8 or 10shots, you got 8 shots in 1 mag, and you got 12 mags.
For waveclear you just get Stalwart or Arc thrower along with the laser backpack.
Ez.

[WhiteCrow]

Originally posted by Dr. Phoenix:

I got almost 600 kills with that weapon while my friends that was using other weapons such as breaker only got 200 kills.

I pretty much stagger locked a whole swarm during an extraction and getting nice multi kills up to 70 very easily.

People just need to learn on how to use that weapon effective

For real. Chill out about 50m from a bug breach and clear it with just that gun alone. Toss napalm if you want for some supplemental damage to ensure quick kills.

The only issue I have with the gun is the push/bounce radius seems to trigger before, or is bigger than the actual damage radius randomly. Instead of killing 2-3 per lob then pushing the rest away, it should kill all of them if the projectile was close enough to push the rest away.

Still fun as hell to use and requires some thinking, so most won't enjoy it or use it properly.

[LMBits]

Originally posted by Dr. Phoenix:

I got almost 600 kills with that weapon while my friends that was using other weapons such as breaker only got 200 kills.

I pretty much stagger locked a whole swarm during an extraction and getting nice multi kills up to 70 very easily.

People just need to learn on how to use that weapon effective

You forgot to mention you had the laser wardog...

[White Rider]

I hate it too. It has its uses, but I just have a big aversion to it.
I probably wouldn't mind it as much if it wasn't listed as a shotgun.

When I heard "plasma shotgun" I was expecting essentially a shotgun version of the scorcher. Maybe with even more limited ammo to compensate for the strength that would come with that.

Part of the reason I dislike it is just the disconnect with that expectation and what the weapon actually is. Give it a while and I'll probably warm up to it when I get over the shotgun listing.