R-63 Diligence is garbage

[Zerathorne]

In fact, it feels like one of the worst guns in the game. I can aim dead center at an automation's head and it will just miss the mark 80% of the time. A marksman rifle needs to be accurate, isn't that the point? Then to top it all off, you made it slow to aim around.

[Fluffy Monster Thing]

Say something we didn't figure out a long time ago. The entire marksman rifle class is basically designed for a different game.

[He Who Has No Name]

Originally posted by Fluffy Monster Thing:

Say something we didn't figure out a long time ago. The entire marksman rifle class is basically designed for a different game.

It's designed for when weapon modules and alternate ammo gets added, which the studio lead has hinted at (pretty openly) on Twitter.

There are suppressors, subsonic ammo, and other things coming down the pipe that make the DMR rifles very viable for stealth play.

[Ex]

Originally posted by He Who Has No Name:

Originally posted by Fluffy Monster Thing:

Say something we didn't figure out a long time ago. The entire marksman rifle class is basically designed for a different game.

It's designed for when weapon modules and alternate ammo gets added, which the studio lead has hinted at (pretty openly) on Twitter.

There are suppressors, subsonic ammo, and other things coming down the pipe that make the DMR rifles very viable for stealth play.

I mean they still better come with a much larger mag/ammo reserves or something by comparison. But mods would be cool.

[Zerathorne]

Originally posted by He Who Has No Name:

Originally posted by Fluffy Monster Thing:

Say something we didn't figure out a long time ago. The entire marksman rifle class is basically designed for a different game.

It's designed for when weapon modules and alternate ammo gets added, which the studio lead has hinted at (pretty openly) on Twitter.

There are suppressors, subsonic ammo, and other things coming down the pipe that make the DMR rifles very viable for stealth play.

Why not just make it accurate though?

[antique_nova]

Originally posted by Beefcannon:

In fact, it feels like one of the worst guns in the game. I can aim dead center at an automation's head and it will just miss the mark 80% of the time. A marksman rifle needs to be accurate, isn't that the point? Then to top it all off, you made it slow to aim around.

Should it be more accurate? Yes.

But if you're missing that often, then personally I think you're just not aiming well.

Because I have no issues with aiming it below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWD7p24gA18

[donut32]

DMR is the best primary in the game against both bugs and bots. skill issue alert, no possible counter argument.

pro tip for DMR usage: point directly at enemy. shoot. end of instructions

[Exdeath]

What?
Thats my #1 weapon agains automatons, one or two shots every small bot and does good agains Lager ones.

U messing Sounds like a skill issue

[Spartykins]

I just want to remind everyone that the counter sniper is garbo

that is all

[Chrissy]

I've used it the most out of any primary by far, it's great.

Originally posted by Spartykins ❤:

I just want to remind everyone that the counter sniper is garbo

that is all

very yes

[I gurgle for Nurgle]

It's not garbage, at least against automatons, but it is lacking indeed. It should be more accurate, it should have a minor zoom mode for its scope, and it also should have at the very least 5 more bullets per mag. Then it will be on par with breaker/slugger/defender (but more suited for medium-long range).

EDIT:

Originally posted by Spartykins ❤:

I just want to remind everyone that the counter sniper is garbo

This thing is unfixable, sadly. It tries to fit an AMR's role, but also have stats of Diligence DMR. I don't have any clue what was the idea behind this gun's design.

[Fauxsteel]

The Dev(s) clearly have a bias toward certain stratems and weapons.
Not much we can do about it, but to play the way they like - at least on 8 and 9.

My primary barely gets used outside of hunters and keeping nearby enemies at bay.

[Aethrys]

I've got no problems with it. Great gun for taking down trash/ rocket bots and saving AMR ammo for bigger threats.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

Originally posted by Beefcannon:

In fact, it feels like one of the worst guns in the game. I can aim dead center at an automation's head and it will just miss the mark 80% of the time. A marksman rifle needs to be accurate, isn't that the point? Then to top it all off, you made it slow to aim around.

I've been using the R-63 since basically launch.

Skill issue.

[Oddball]

It's well known that the diligence family of weapons under-perform. On top of every other inadequacy, the scope isn't calibrated with the barrel. When shooting down, shots will often go into terrain. When attempting to shoot weak spots, the bullet will frequently land below where the reticule suggests. There's plenty of videos of this, and outside of the occasional sycophant It's common knowledge that the weapon lacks much of anything to redeem it. Hence why virtually no-one runs it at any appreciable difficulty.

It has some utility when doing a solo stealth run. But for general game-play, it's a dud.

The reticule in first person needs to be reliably lined up with where the shot goes. The CS variant needs to drop the heavy weapon aim-lag thing that it currently has. Damage, in general, just needs to be buffed. But even with these changes, it's still a single-shot weapon with lackluster armor penetration in a game where armored enemies are common and hordes are thrown at you in seamless waves. It probably won't ever be suitable for general gameplay.

[Nero]

Originally posted by donut32:

DMR is the best primary in the game against both bugs and bots. skill issue alert, no possible counter argument.

pro tip for DMR usage: point directly at enemy. shoot. end of instructions

The standard liberator is better than the diligence in almost every scenario and breaker was always better vs bugs