DSS is exactly what the HD2 playerbase deserves!

[Kortek]

A ceremonial space station for people who like (bad) ceremonial guns.

Poor in contents just like the newer Warbonds which have been also steadily decreasing in content (look at the number of items) (and the quality is not much better for it either).

Expect less, get less. You people got exactly what you deserved.

[Kortek]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Biggie_:

i like how your exactly right and yet the cope'rs wills till believe the game is a mandate from heaven and can do no wrong.

Mandate from heavel LOL!

[The Ironguard]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kortek:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

i don't think you understand what the word "ceremonial" means. Also, i think the community deserves as good game that we can enjoy, with proper quality control and meaningful updates.

Frankly i am disappointed you think so lowly of your fellow helldivers.

Ceremonial is the Constitution rifle, it is bad but people defend it by saying it is ceremonial. Now we got bad space station, you could say it is ceremonial and people would defend it.

Bad is bad, good is good. No inbetween. People defended a bad rifle, they got bad spacestation. Simple as
Epect less get less, (and people indeed got it after all.

so you DON'T understand what ceremonial means.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ceremonial

[Tahla]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

i don't think you understand what the word "ceremonial" means. Also, i think the community deserves as good game that we can enjoy, with proper quality control and meaningful updates.

Frankly i am disappointed you think so lowly of your fellow helldivers.

It's called sarcasm. When we say ceremonial we mean dog sh*t bad.

[Kortek]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kortek:

Ceremonial is the Constitution rifle, it is bad but people defend it by saying it is ceremonial. Now we got bad space station, you could say it is ceremonial and people would defend it.

Bad is bad, good is good. No inbetween. People defended a bad rifle, they got bad spacestation. Simple as
Epect less get less, (and people indeed got it after all.

so you DON'T understand what ceremonial means.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ceremonial

You do not get the meme/joke do you? At this pont you are intentionally ignoring it. Even after I explained it to you.

[Kortek]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tahla:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

i don't think you understand what the word "ceremonial" means. Also, i think the community deserves as good game that we can enjoy, with proper quality control and meaningful updates.

Frankly i am disappointed you think so lowly of your fellow helldivers.

It's called sarcasm. When we say ceremonial we mean dog sh*t bad. :mhwhappy:

Also come to think of it the DSS is the well deserved Crispy Cream Factory for all the Glazers lol.

[The Ironguard]

Jokes are supposed to be funny. This wasn't.

The Constitution was a meme weapon, meant as a token for celebration of liberty day. They did the same thing in Helldivers 1, it was never meant to be good, and everyone who was paying attention KNEW that. Using it as an example of "people defending a bad weapon" and then using that to ♥♥♥♥ on people because they got a bad space station and aren't happy about it, is also not funny.

Maybe humor just doesn't translate well where you are from, but you're just coming off as an ass. You're not being funny, you're not being helpful.

[Tahla]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

Jokes are supposed to be funny. This wasn't.

The Constitution was a meme weapon, meant as a token for celebration of liberty day. They did the same thing in Helldivers 1, it was never meant to be good, and everyone who was paying attention KNEW that. Using it as an example of "people defending a bad weapon" and then using that to ♥♥♥♥ on people because they got a bad space station and aren't happy about it, is also not funny.

Maybe humor just doesn't translate well where you are from, but you're just coming off as an ass. You're not being funny, you're not being helpful.

Jokes on you, in HD1 the Constitution isn't so bad damage wise.
https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Helldivers_1:M2016_Constitution
300 damage
400 damage center mass
40 meter range

Compared to another marksman rifle
https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Helldivers_1:LHO-63_Camper
200 damage, 300 with upgrade
300 center mass damage, 450 with upgrade
30 meter range

So the Constitution in HD1 does baseline more damage and range than the Camper. With upgrades about the same but the Camper still has worse range.

[Kortek]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

Jokes are supposed to be funny. This wasn't.

The Constitution was a meme weapon, meant as a token for celebration of liberty day. They did the same thing in Helldivers 1, it was never meant to be good, and everyone who was paying attention KNEW that. Using it as an example of "people defending a bad weapon" and then using that to ♥♥♥♥ on people because they got a bad space station and aren't happy about it, is also not funny.

Maybe humor just doesn't translate well where you are from, but you're just coming off as an ass. You're not being funny, you're not being helpful.

Defending (bad) weapons is not funny either, it lowers standards and results in the things like DSS. Expect less, get less.

Also the fact it is a meme weapon is a poor excuse for wasting dev time on it. Dead Space had a meme weapon too if I am not mistaken, that big finger gun glove. It had unlimited ammo. That is a good meem weapon.

The Constitution is basically a Senator, but worse at everything, except for recoil which is same, even if they would put a stipper clip reload on empty and gave it AP4, it would still have slower rate of fire, smaller damage and one less bullet in the mag.

The only reason they did not do that is because there is not enough backlash due to people people defending it by saying it is ceremonial.

[N*rd]

Here we are again ...

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kortek:

A ceremonial space station for people who like (bad) ceremonial guns.
Poor in contents just like the newer Warbonds which have been also steadily decreasing in content (look at the number of items) (and the quality is not much better for it either).

Expect less, get less. You people got exactly what you deserved.

Dull claims with no proof, examples, or anything to back them up—just seeking attention.
You OPcontains no argument whatsoever - i called you out on that behaviour in (T1) .

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kortek:

Expect less, get less. It got us to DSS.

Your favorite meaningless saying.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kortek:

Imagine defending a less precise traitor barrage, which it is as the barrage targets the player.

Ad hominem circumstantiae—you insult and mock the person providing an argument rather than presenting your own.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kortek:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

so i guess you just want to stir up trouble. No clowns for you, go away troll.

Am I wrong tho?

Not wrong, not right—that’s a discussion. So far, you’ve brought nothing to the table but insults and mockery.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kortek:

Ceremonial developement team for ceremonial fanbase I guess.

General mocking of everyone who disagrees with you - again no Argument just mocking.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kortek:

And they underdelivered and dissapointed in every way they could.

Where is the example to back it up ?


Provide real arguments—everything you’ve posted consists of cheap generalizations, unproven claims, exaggerations, or dull clichés.
If you can’t articulate yourself with at least some level of mature behavior, then go away.

[The Ironguard]

Look, you can argue that it's a poor use of developer time, and we can have that conversation, but the constitution functions basically as advertised, and they did give it to us for free. You can call that "defending a bad weapon" but there's more nuance to weapons than "bad" or "good"

[Vintage Shin Kartz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

maybe morale would be higher amongst the devs if they did stuff right the first time instead of having to have us scream at them for a week >< they had MONTHS to put this thing together.

It's as if they don't understand what people like or dislike about their game.
They don't get the player mentality of how an average player might interact with game mechanics or presented challenges.
Finally, they certainly don't share the playerbase's priorities when it comes to development and tackling problems

[The Ironguard]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vintage Shin Kartz:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

maybe morale would be higher amongst the devs if they did stuff right the first time instead of having to have us scream at them for a week >< they had MONTHS to put this thing together.

It's as if they don't understand what people like or dislike about their game.
They don't get the player mentality of how an average player might interact with game mechanics or presented challenges.
Finally, they certainly don't share the playerbase's priorities when it comes to development and tackling problems

while a certain disparity in perspective is unavoidable, i think this mostly hits the nail on the head. The devs don't seem to be able to view the game from the perspective of someone who plays the game regularly.

[Kortek]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

Look, you can argue that it's a poor use of developer time, and we can have that conversation, but the constitution functions basically as advertised, and they did give it to us for free. You can call that "defending a bad weapon" but there's more nuance to weapons than "bad" or "good"

You are still defending it even though there is no benefit to it except keeping it (bad) ceremonial. If Senatro (the revolver) is considered balanced then the Constitution would be still balanced if they put AP4 on it and a stipper clip.

(Also the excuse that we got it for free does not mean we should lower our standards, same with the DSS. But since both are free and both kinda suck to be honest they are both (bad) ceremonial.)

Instead it has neither cause it is ceremonial and thus supposed to be bad righ?

[Kortek]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vintage Shin Kartz:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

maybe morale would be higher amongst the devs if they did stuff right the first time instead of having to have us scream at them for a week >< they had MONTHS to put this thing together.

It's as if they don't understand what people like or dislike about their game.
They don't get the player mentality of how an average player might interact with game mechanics or presented challenges.
Finally, they certainly don't share the playerbase's priorities when it comes to development and tackling problems

They are probably still trying to make Dark Souls, or Elden Ring or whatever was their intended vission from the start.

The new Enforcer Warbond weapons are suffering from Monkey Paw balance issue. Mainly the pistol which has almost no ammo (4 mags is just sad).
The Reprimand has 3 second reload on empty, high recoil and is not even one handed (quite a lot of bloom on it as well I think).

The Halt does not have programable ammo even though they showed that they are cabable of implementing it. Instead it has its mag split in two.

Also the Constitution is basically what people wanted the Senator to be pre buff. So why not buff it too?

The devs are more or less going back to their old ways. Implying that they even try to understand their playerbase is generous to say the least.

[The Ironguard]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kortek:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Ironguard:

Look, you can argue that it's a poor use of developer time, and we can have that conversation, but the constitution functions basically as advertised, and they did give it to us for free. You can call that "defending a bad weapon" but there's more nuance to weapons than "bad" or "good"

You are still defending it even though there is no benefit to it except keeping it (bad) ceremonial. If Senatro (the revolver) is considered balanced then the Constitution would be still balanced if they put AP4 on it and a stipper clip.

(Also the excuse that we got it for free does not mean we should lower our standards, same with the DSS. But since both are free and both kinda suck to be honest they are both (bad) ceremonial.)

Instead it has neither cause it is ceremonial and thus supposed to be bad righ?

well, the DSS was hardly free. we all worked on it for months. As for the constitution, it does have a benefit: I think it's funny.

Ceremonial means it prioritizes form over function. that doesn't mean it IS bad at its function, but it does mean it doesn't have to be good at its function. Also, the DSS is not, and was never meant to be ceremonial, it is meant to be the literal cornerstone of the effort of the galactic war.