HELLDIVERS™ 2

HELLDIVERS™ 2

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lawshadow 16 MAY 2024 a las 6:15 p. m.
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Seriously Arrowhead STOP giving us pea shooters! Proof in the videos!
I had ZERO fun....

You get SWARMED at extraction by bots 4 to 5 Hulks a million Troopers, 25 Berserkers, 7 Rocket Berserkers, a whole army of Devestators, and on top Shield berserkers ranging from 5 to 7 units MILLION lasers firing at you.....

And we end up using god forsaken PEA SHOOTERS that do jack 5hit of course the best course of action is to move away from extraction to lure enemy. But thats not the point.

They literally SUCKED the joy out of this game with such PEA shooters incl the Eruptor can't even one shot berserkers anymore now takes 3 shots! Striders now take i kid you NOT if your unlucky 5 SHOTS! FIVE SHOTS with the Eruptor..let that sink in (used to be ONE shot) ...complete utter TRASH!

This is what they call "fun"....If the enemy has all these BENEFITS why can't WE return the favor? NO...

Here a PRIME example how Arrowhead just MOCKS you PAY attention to the official Trailer:

See 0:41 CLEAR example of FALSE freeking adverticement for a premium bond it shows you ONE shot Strider correct? it even shows this TWICE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcnzI0gN7z4

Now look at the SAD reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-cPqZPyQ0&list=WL&index=2

It's not about the difficulty its about fairness and having tools to have an answer for these situations constant million lasers and you are NOT allowed to answer back with PROPER primaries! Heck some of them can even KILL you....Just sad and very incompetent from the AH devs...

These people not only do they LIE and mock you

They enjoy them selves by getting players frustrated.
Última edición por lawshadow; 16 MAY 2024 a las 6:27 p. m.
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Portico 17 MAY 2024 a las 2:30 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
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What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ roundabout way to admit that you are terrible. Turn down the difficulty if you have so much trouble. Because the rest of us who actually can beat helldive with no issue prove you wrong every single day.
Helldivers™ 2 17 MAY 2024 a las 2:36 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Portico:
Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
-snip-
What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ roundabout way to admit that you are terrible. Turn down the difficulty if you have so much trouble. Because the rest of us who actually can beat helldive with no issue prove you wrong every single day.

Constantly boasting about how good you are and insulting others in ever thread just makes you look sad. Find something more important to be proud for
Portico 17 MAY 2024 a las 3:00 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Helldivers™ 2:
Constantly boasting about how good you are and insulting others in ever thread just makes you look sad. Find something more important to be proud for
Why aren't you turning down the difficulty?
Ishan451 17 MAY 2024 a las 3:02 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
You get SWARMED at extraction by bots 4 to 5 Hulks

Laser Cannon and Antimaterial Rifle take care of them real quick. The later you need to learn the offset pattern that is currently still existing and is also different depending on your posture (they acknowledge its a bug). But once you do, you can one tap Hulks with your AMR. Laser Cannon is also super easy to take Hulks out as you can just 3rd person aim for their face plate.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
a million Troopers, 25 Berserkers,
I recommend one on the team to bring an MG or HMG, that will take care of most of that. Especially when everyone does bring one chaff clear Sentry or Strike.

Aim for the mid section on the Berserkers, not their faces. Legs on the Devastors, and then you can even bring a Stalwart.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
7 Rocket Berserkers

What are Rocket Beserkers?

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
a whole army of Devestators

If you don't want to bring a precision Primary to headshot them, i recommend aiming for their legs.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
and on top Shield berserkers

What are Shield Berserkers?

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
ranging from 5 to 7 units MILLION lasers firing at you.....

So, take cover?

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
And we end up using god forsaken PEA SHOOTERS that do jack 5hit

Dunno what you are bringing but at this point i feel like you just don't know where to aim.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
of course the best course of action is to move away from extraction to lure enemy. But thats not the point.

Why is it not the point? If your Team hasn't brought a balanced loadout to handle a brute force approach, then you need to employ tactics to compensate for your team's poor loadout choice.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
They literally SUCKED the joy out of this game with such PEA shooters incl the Eruptor can't even one shot berserkers anymore now takes 3 shots!

So, use a different Primary?

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
Striders now take i kid you NOT if your unlucky 5 SHOTS! FIVE SHOTS with the Eruptor..let that sink in (used to be ONE shot) ...complete utter TRASH!

Starting to feel the issue here is that you brought a Hammer and now you are complaining that not everything is a nail.... Also maybe aim for the legs instead of the main plate?

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
Here a PRIME example how Arrowhead just MOCKS you PAY attention to the official Trailer:

Trailer was released 3 days after the balance patch. It is unlikely Sony went and got new footage, given that it takes days likely weeks to produce and get approval from Marketing for these Trailers.

It is also not Arrowhead that makes these trailers. It is Sony. The Publisher does the Marketing.

You can probably blame Arrowhead for not telling Sony they will push this balance change... but at the same time Sony also doesn't seem to care about false advertisment.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
See 0:41 CLEAR example of FALSE freeking adverticement for a premium bond it shows you ONE shot Strider correct?

The Trailer was released May 2nd... the Strider Balance Buff to its Explosion Resistance went life on the 29th of April. So on Monday the Patch went life on Thursday the Trailer was released and again Trailer wasn't made by Arrowhead but by Sony.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
It's not about the difficulty

Could have me fooled.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
its about fairness and having tools to have an answer for these situations

You have the tools. You just gotta bring them.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
PROPER primaries!

See, that is your misunderstanding. Primaries are meant to get you from your Hellpod to your support weapon. They are not meant to do the job of your Support weapon. You are meant to fight the enemies primarily with your Stratagems as a team. And if everyone on the team does their part and doesn't just happen to be a solo player with a 3 other solo players on the same map, that actually works quite well.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
Heck some of them can even KILL you...

Yes? And that is a problem.... why? These weapons are meant to be used at mid to long range, while teammates cover you in the short range department... this is what i meant with having a balanced team loadout.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
very incompetent from the AH devs...

You misunderstanding the game isn't incompetence on the part of the Devs. You can blame them for a lot of things, but this entire post highlights a fundamental lack of understanding about how the game is meant to be played. The Devs even made a Blog Post explaining what Primaries are meant to be.

Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
These people not only do they LIE and mock you

They enjoy them selves by getting players frustrated.

Ahh yes... the Monday Morning 9am Arrowhead meeting where they twirl their beard and laugh manically at the excerpts of the salt mines that are the forums.

Conspiracy theory much?
McFuzz 17 MAY 2024 a las 3:20 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
Publicado originalmente por McFuzz:
Okay I went and tested it and yes, it's a two hit on striders anywhere so long as you don't hit them in the guns.

Which is not a one hit.

But it's not 5 hits either.

But congratulations for filling me with so much self doubt I had to use the god awful purifier for almost an hour to remind myself i was in fact correct lol.

Interesting was this from VERY CLOSE range or could you do it from say 50m or further away? Does it has a heavy "bullet drop"? I test my self later today. Either way the trailer sells a false picture ie a ONE shotter. Very deceptive no matter if they buffed the strider JUST before the polar warbond sneaky....+ 2 hits aint that bad then why do people dislike this gun so much judging from post here and on redd1t?
It's any range. The purifier has a little bullet drop but not enough to need to compensate that much.

If you hit it in the legs, ground nearby, or top plate armor, it's 2 hits.
If you hit the driver directly, it's 1 hit.
As I was trying to explain, it only performs as bad as it did in that video if you hit the guns. The guns stick out; they are further away, and they are a vehicle armor plating similar to a charger carapace. These two things together reduce the Purifier (and autocannon, and railgun, and lascannon, and scorcher, and basically everything) damage output significantly if you shoot them there. It is their most armored spot.

Which yes, even still, the purifier is not a one hit weapon. But it would've one hit before strider AoE resistance buff. But it doesn't. So what it might've done doesn't really matter.

Even still, it's still bad. The Plasma Punisher is better in every way but lobbed in an arc instead of a straight line; they are identical damage and aoe size. I genuinely like the Plasma Punisher from bots. It's easy s tier. The purifier's charge also makes it cumbersome and tedious compared to the PP.

Plasma punisher = goat, purifier = peepee.
Última edición por McFuzz; 17 MAY 2024 a las 3:23 a. m.
Narsiph 17 MAY 2024 a las 3:23 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ishan451:
You misunderstanding the game isn't incompetence on the part of the Devs. You can blame them for a lot of things, but this entire post highlights a fundamental lack of understanding about how the game is meant to be played. The Devs even made a Blog Post explaining what Primaries are meant to be.


The whole point you did, is basically not a way to argue good, you just invaluate everything and basically answer with "git gud". I understand that many of us still are striking fear in the hearts of the enemy, even solo (Heck, even I dive solo on helldive but rarely really have fun, as in the beginning I had tons of fun) but the majority of players "just want to have fun".

There is no "right way" to have fun. I learned a lot about game design, programming and overall leadership skills over decades now and I can assure you: The unskilled nature of Arrowhead within this genre as well as graphic system is easily spotable.


I also understand what Arrowhead is trying to do, but sadly, the way to balance and make a game fun for most players is barely known by anyone except for a few game devs that literally doodoo out gold of their rears. Even Activision Blizzard tried this and got huge backlash from their community until they started to go the other way around, which fixed basically everything over the course of a few months.


Is the game meant to be played solo? No. Can you do it? Yes. Should you try to raise the skill ceiling even higher to force group play? No. You just let it be. There's always meta-people, there's always people that laugh at every enemy. Even I stand on top of bile spewers and punch the living s out of them since the damn world I was on a few minutes ago was not a bile spewer world but the yellow bxxxards. I was angry, climed on one and hit 'em to death.


That is not the point. The point is to make the game fun for the majority. You will always have complainers "its too easy, its too hard, its too awesome, its too dark, its too light, its too whatever" but if the majority of your community enjoys the game, there's nothing wrong with strong weapons.


If someone finds a way to enjoy the game in other ways as the devs planned, you can let it be or even make content for those type of players too, acknowledging them but Arrowhead went the other route of discouraging. Have you ever seen a game in which discouragement made the game better and the community happy? I certainly had not, maybe I am in for some new knowledge.


If only certain groups can enjoy your game, you will set limits. If everyone can enjoy your game you actually did it right, no matter if intentional or not. I absolutely enjoyed the game after the majority of crashes went away and after the first warbond. It was so fun, constantly switching weapons, trying out things.

I went from that to "meta loadout, specialice, don't fight (which is the most fun for me) and hop to objectives". I only take the best stratagems that offer me the most bang for my time I need. Even solo and within group play. Thanks to me my friends still can enjoy experimenting while I can do the hard things for them if they have bad loadouts. Before there was no bad loadout, no matter if you liked or disliked some loudout options.



And that Arrowhead acknowledge bugs is nothing new. The only thing they did right from the get go was the community communication. Everything else? No knowledge about 3d-shooters, no knowledge of balancing, releasing an pre-early access title as full release (that may be the publisher pushing usually but we don't know), not having any test environment. Basic thing you learn and get teached since over a decade now is missing within the ranks of Arrowhead.

As well as the engine they use. The bugs are often times so hillarious bad you can only cry-laugh at this point. "Kill 5 ." Maybe they already had a table with Illuminate and it was an illuminate target, since everything else we already had mostly.

I just was waiting for "nan" to show up.



What I wanna say is this:
Don't run around and literally say "git gud" or "just play lower difficulty bro" but to try to be emphatic. As well as staying civilized. Defend your side but don't just attack people and their way of seeing things. You are able to disagree but you can do it either polite and may offer solutions or you can do it the way you did.



Stay crunchy.
Svartkladd 17 MAY 2024 a las 3:36 a. m. 
That can be easily solved by adding separate "call cheater SOS" stratagem, endless walking barrages will clear that mosquito army in no time)
Narsiph 17 MAY 2024 a las 3:42 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Svartkladd:
That can be easily solved by adding separate "call cheater SOS" stratagem, endless walking barrages will clear that mosquito army in no time)

I would enjoy the call a cheater sos stratagem XD I rarely see footages of such things but it amazes me how bad the anti-cheat actually is and how easy you still can do whatever you like.

Stay crunchy
Ishan451 17 MAY 2024 a las 4:17 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
the majority of players "just want to have fun".

And why is their "fun" more important than my fun? Just because some people come here to whine about how the game isn't fun anymore, because their one or two crutches don't work so good anymore, doesn't mean that the other weapons are pea shooters and unusable... or that the game is any harder than it was before.

It is a reality that a lot of the "its no fun" crowd are just bad at the game or have unrealistic expectations of the game.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
There is no "right way" to have fun. I learned a lot about game design, programming and overall leadership skills over decades now and I can assure you: The unskilled nature of Arrowhead within this genre as well as graphic system is easily spotable.

Yet, here we are, you telling me there is no "right way to have fun", because i replied to someone complaining that their way to have fun is the only way to have fun, by refuting their position.

Are you sure you are telling this to the right person? I mean given that i am on the position that you can still have fun... and that they didn't turn the game "unfun".

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
Even Activision Blizzard

Wrong choice of a company. Activision Blizzard never made any enjoyable games since around Diablo 2. They are the kings of ruining entire genres of games. So i am sorry, but i really don't care to see Helldivers spiral into mediocracy. If i want a medicore mass appealing game, i go play Fortnite or Overwatch.

There is a reason Blizzard is struggling so much these days... and that reason is their good old strive for mediocry and the removing of any skill requirements from the genres they touch.

It worked for World of Warcraft, as they could bring over the whole RTS crowd of people. It kinda worked for Overwatch by dumbing down Hero Shooters. But Diablo is such a great example of how it doesn't work to keep removing any sort of challenge.

And Warcraft killing the MMO genre with their "mass appeal" didn't help either.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
There's always meta-people

And every nerf was necessary up to this point. Because it made the game F-ing boring. The nerf to the Breaker, Railgun and Shieldpack was necessary because everyone was using nothing but that, and an Orbital Laser and an Railgun Strike. Nothing else. No other stratagems, no other stuppor weapons... no other Primaries. It was the same old same old each and every time. To the point that people made threads about how they will kick everyone that doesn't bring this one particular loadout. That is not fun.

We saw a repeat with the Quasar, where before its Nerf it declassed everything and threatened to become the new "bring this or i'll kick you" option.

A large reason why this game was so fun before the majority of people unlocked the Rail Gun, was because people actually had to work together and the hilarity that ensued from the chaos. When you had to scamper to form a weapon team to keep up with the amount of Chargers on the field.

That is when the game was at its best. Then most got to level 20... and it became Breaker, Railgun and Shieldpack.. nobody forms weapon teams anymore... the Meta crowd constantly harps on about how you shouldn't use backpack weapons... and yada yada yada... and ever since that time this game has been on a downward spiral. As the try hards dictated what broken crutch you need to bring, to ensure nobody actually learns the mechanics of the game. And of course why would you want to work together in a Co-Op game.. its 4 people single player.

So no, you do not get to tell me that i need to support this a♥♥ backwards mindset, of people that use broken a♥♥ guns like the Eruptor, that can do everything from closing bug holes to decimating titans... and then complain about how the game gut turned on fun, when their favorite crutch got dialed a little bit back, but still is the jack of all trades weapon... and that the Developer needs to restore this state, so everything is going back to this one gun, this one loadout and nobody working together as you Rambo through the landscape.

Just turn down the difficulty if you are not good enough to hack it on the one you are on without your crutch. If you want to be rambo, brutforcing your way through the match.. play on Challenging or Hard. You'll get your Power Fantasy that way.

But no... gotta be no scrub.... gotta play Helldive. Just not any way... that one specific way that does require 0 skill. That way.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
That is not the point. The point is to make the game fun for the majority.

I don't care about the majority. I am not here to make profit and i am having 0 interest in this death spiral to mediocracy, where the game genuinely becomes unfun again, because everyone just using the biggest crutch they can find and goes to the forum to whine when their jack of all trades master of everything weapon gets a slight nerf.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
If only certain groups can enjoy your game, you will set limits.

There is nothing wrong with setting limits. Limits is actually how you get good games. Nobody enjoys grey slob that is flavorless, textureless but nutrious. People don't go to a restaurant to get that experience. They go to a restaurant to get a very specific dish. One that isn't everything, but where you have harsh flavors balanced by other elements to make for a delightful experience.

So no... i don't want the 5star Menu to become McDonalds, just because McDonalds has more mass appeal. Go play your Mass appeal games, there are so many of them. I believe the last of them was Suicide Squad. I hear they have a lot of open spaces right now and are glad to get any player they can.

That is what you get with mass appeal.

Helldivers 2 got so famous precisely because it wasn't trying to be mass appealing, but is having a clear "this is how you play" vision... Which is why they explained the vision to the people that expect this to be McDonalds.

And it is sad to see them being ground down gradually. At least, that is the impression i have been getting this past 2 weeks, as the CEO seems to have entirely caved and tries to course correct for the Sony blunder.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
If everyone can enjoy your game you actually did it right

Cuphead, Elden Ring and Dark Souls say hello. There are so many games out there that aren't for everyone and are popular precisely because of that reason. With gaming communities that have to fight hard against people coming in with this "everything needs to be grey slob" mentality.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
What I wanna say is this:
Don't run around and literally say "git gud"

I didn't literally say git gud and...

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
or "just play lower difficulty bro"

...i only just now said play on lower difficulties, because if you want the Power Fantasy and don't like to sweat, then that is what Difficulty Levels are for. That is what they exist for. So you can tune your experience.

Now if Arrowhead would offer a sample conversion it would finally fix the problem of people having to play Suicide, but there is literally no reason why a casual gamer, should play on Helldive... the game should not be tuned to let casual gamers play on Helldive either.

There is nothing wrong with telling people that complain about not being powerful enough to play on lower difficulties where these problems get mitigated by the difficulty level. That is why difficulty levels exist.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
but to try to be emphatic.

I see no point in being emphatic about average joe not being able to compete at Olympia. So why should i be emphatic about everyone playing Helldive? Not saying the two are the same, but difficulty levels exist for a reason, and i see nothing shameful in a casual player having their boomboom rambo action on Tier 4 or 5 difficulty.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
As well as staying civilized.

Did you really just suggest my reply wasn't civilized?

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
you can do it either polite

Aww, did i not cushion my words enough for you? The truth hurts sometimes. I know. I have no obligations to pamper and baby you. Instead i choose to talk to you like an adult. I didn't insult you, but i also don't need to coddle and baby you... and cushion my words so they don't hurt your precious feelings.

If you are whining, i am going to tell you that you are whining. And if you are complaining that the game is to hard or not fun enough, then i will tell you why i think that is and that maybe you are doing it wrong.

And i also have no patience for your pointless toxic nicety.
Última edición por Ishan451; 17 MAY 2024 a las 4:23 a. m.
New To This 17 MAY 2024 a las 5:39 a. m. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcnzI0gN7z4

"Please sign in to confirm your age"
>.>.............
This aint a WW2 video, the ****?
New To This 17 MAY 2024 a las 5:42 a. m. 
Ishan just accused someone of being toxicly NICE.
.......
After throwing out 20 toxic child insults towards the guy who can articulate himself.

Well dang.
Good to know Ishan is still just a troll.

MATE!!!
If you liked the state of the game 10% as much as you troll.
You would always be in game!
:D Yet here you are, talking to us instead!

Someone's fulla ****!
Ishan451 17 MAY 2024 a las 7:15 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por New To This:
You would always be in game!
:D Yet here you are, talking to us instead!

Oh noes, you figured me out. Whatever shall i do.... :steambored:
lawshadow 17 MAY 2024 a las 11:59 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Portico:
Publicado originalmente por lawshadow:
-snip-
What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ roundabout way to admit that you are terrible. Turn down the difficulty if you have so much trouble. Because the rest of us who actually can beat helldive with no issue prove you wrong every single day.

You suck man

Comming here and flaunt and brag that you can PLAY with a FRIEND gtfo.

You have ANY right to brag IF you can manage to play ALONE and without a single stratagem (except supply pack or manditory hellbomb) nor a single eagle strike. Then upload it on YT with these weapons alone Eruptor and a callin weapon by your choice. And make sure you run around the map to trigger bot drops everywhere since you love "the more enemies i can shoot".

And i never bragged about anything because solo can be achieved on suicide and helldivers with proper planning. Yet you brag about WITH a friend silly clown. don't come here and stroke your miserable ego. Real MEN real skilled people are far far in the minority and you are not part of that clique and that hurts you! Just when a guy kills a whole squad of "elite players" on fps games with JUST a knife that you clown is real skill awesome skill! And then get kicked from the lobby thats hilarious! You don't have it so stop comming here and advertice your silly attitude that amount to nothing. You come here with this attitude. You don't know me POS. Yet attack me as if i done you personal wrong. And it hurts your heart me telling it how REAL skill is judged youre a phony get over it. For the record it was about the poor primaries you can't even read you dummy not about the difficulty that makes you a disgusting person only here to be toxic.
Última edición por lawshadow; 17 MAY 2024 a las 12:05 p. m.
lawshadow 17 MAY 2024 a las 1:00 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ishan451:
Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
the majority of players "just want to have fun".

And why is their "fun" more important than my fun? Just because some people come here to whine about how the game isn't fun anymore, because their one or two crutches don't work so good anymore, doesn't mean that the other weapons are pea shooters and unusable... or that the game is any harder than it was before.

It is a reality that a lot of the "its no fun" crowd are just bad at the game or have unrealistic expectations of the game.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
There is no "right way" to have fun. I learned a lot about game design, programming and overall leadership skills over decades now and I can assure you: The unskilled nature of Arrowhead within this genre as well as graphic system is easily spotable.

Yet, here we are, you telling me there is no "right way to have fun", because i replied to someone complaining that their way to have fun is the only way to have fun, by refuting their position.

Are you sure you are telling this to the right person? I mean given that i am on the position that you can still have fun... and that they didn't turn the game "unfun".

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
Even Activision Blizzard

Wrong choice of a company. Activision Blizzard never made any enjoyable games since around Diablo 2. They are the kings of ruining entire genres of games. So i am sorry, but i really don't care to see Helldivers spiral into mediocracy. If i want a medicore mass appealing game, i go play Fortnite or Overwatch.

There is a reason Blizzard is struggling so much these days... and that reason is their good old strive for mediocry and the removing of any skill requirements from the genres they touch.

It worked for World of Warcraft, as they could bring over the whole RTS crowd of people. It kinda worked for Overwatch by dumbing down Hero Shooters. But Diablo is such a great example of how it doesn't work to keep removing any sort of challenge.

And Warcraft killing the MMO genre with their "mass appeal" didn't help either.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
There's always meta-people

And every nerf was necessary up to this point. Because it made the game F-ing boring. The nerf to the Breaker, Railgun and Shieldpack was necessary because everyone was using nothing but that, and an Orbital Laser and an Railgun Strike. Nothing else. No other stratagems, no other stuppor weapons... no other Primaries. It was the same old same old each and every time. To the point that people made threads about how they will kick everyone that doesn't bring this one particular loadout. That is not fun.

We saw a repeat with the Quasar, where before its Nerf it declassed everything and threatened to become the new "bring this or i'll kick you" option.

A large reason why this game was so fun before the majority of people unlocked the Rail Gun, was because people actually had to work together and the hilarity that ensued from the chaos. When you had to scamper to form a weapon team to keep up with the amount of Chargers on the field.

That is when the game was at its best. Then most got to level 20... and it became Breaker, Railgun and Shieldpack.. nobody forms weapon teams anymore... the Meta crowd constantly harps on about how you shouldn't use backpack weapons... and yada yada yada... and ever since that time this game has been on a downward spiral. As the try hards dictated what broken crutch you need to bring, to ensure nobody actually learns the mechanics of the game. And of course why would you want to work together in a Co-Op game.. its 4 people single player.

So no, you do not get to tell me that i need to support this a♥♥ backwards mindset, of people that use broken a♥♥ guns like the Eruptor, that can do everything from closing bug holes to decimating titans... and then complain about how the game gut turned on fun, when their favorite crutch got dialed a little bit back, but still is the jack of all trades weapon... and that the Developer needs to restore this state, so everything is going back to this one gun, this one loadout and nobody working together as you Rambo through the landscape.

Just turn down the difficulty if you are not good enough to hack it on the one you are on without your crutch. If you want to be rambo, brutforcing your way through the match.. play on Challenging or Hard. You'll get your Power Fantasy that way.

But no... gotta be no scrub.... gotta play Helldive. Just not any way... that one specific way that does require 0 skill. That way.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
That is not the point. The point is to make the game fun for the majority.

I don't care about the majority. I am not here to make profit and i am having 0 interest in this death spiral to mediocracy, where the game genuinely becomes unfun again, because everyone just using the biggest crutch they can find and goes to the forum to whine when their jack of all trades master of everything weapon gets a slight nerf.

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
If only certain groups can enjoy your game, you will set limits.

There is nothing wrong with setting limits. Limits is actually how you get good games. Nobody enjoys grey slob that is flavorless, textureless but nutrious. People don't go to a restaurant to get that experience. They go to a restaurant to get a very specific dish. One that isn't everything, but where you have harsh flavors balanced by other elements to make for a delightful experience.

So no... i don't want the 5star Menu to become McDonalds, just because McDonalds has more mass appeal. Go play your Mass appeal games, there are so many of them. I believe the last of them was Suicide Squad. I hear they have a lot of open spaces right now and are glad to get any player they can.

That is what you get with mass appeal.

Helldivers 2 got so famous precisely because it wasn't trying to be mass appealing, but is having a clear "this is how you play" vision... Which is why they explained the vision to the people that expect this to be McDonalds.

And it is sad to see them being ground down gradually. At least, that is the impression i have been getting this past 2 weeks, as the CEO seems to have entirely caved and tries to course correct for the Sony blunder.

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If everyone can enjoy your game you actually did it right

Cuphead, Elden Ring and Dark Souls say hello. There are so many games out there that aren't for everyone and are popular precisely because of that reason. With gaming communities that have to fight hard against people coming in with this "everything needs to be grey slob" mentality.

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What I wanna say is this:
Don't run around and literally say "git gud"

I didn't literally say git gud and...

Publicado originalmente por Narsiph:
or "just play lower difficulty bro"

...i only just now said play on lower difficulties, because if you want the Power Fantasy and don't like to sweat, then that is what Difficulty Levels are for. That is what they exist for. So you can tune your experience.

Now if Arrowhead would offer a sample conversion it would finally fix the problem of people having to play Suicide, but there is literally no reason why a casual gamer, should play on Helldive... the game should not be tuned to let casual gamers play on Helldive either.

There is nothing wrong with telling people that complain about not being powerful enough to play on lower difficulties where these problems get mitigated by the difficulty level. That is why difficulty levels exist.

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but to try to be emphatic.

I see no point in being emphatic about average joe not being able to compete at Olympia. So why should i be emphatic about everyone playing Helldive? Not saying the two are the same, but difficulty levels exist for a reason, and i see nothing shameful in a casual player having their boomboom rambo action on Tier 4 or 5 difficulty.

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As well as staying civilized.

Did you really just suggest my reply wasn't civilized?

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you can do it either polite

Aww, did i not cushion my words enough for you? The truth hurts sometimes. I know. I have no obligations to pamper and baby you. Instead i choose to talk to you like an adult. I didn't insult you, but i also don't need to coddle and baby you... and cushion my words so they don't hurt your precious feelings.

If you are whining, i am going to tell you that you are whining. And if you are complaining that the game is to hard or not fun enough, then i will tell you why i think that is and that maybe you are doing it wrong.

And i also have no patience for your pointless toxic nicety.

Alright...

Seen your other reply to me.
Trying to explain how i should play is bad on your side if you did paid attention i play exclusively with the Eruptor since day one. And posted my findings from vanilla to Nerf 2. I am a sniper most of the time in FPS shooters (coop in Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect Andromeda) And Arma 3. I know exactly the ins and outs of the weapon don't have to repeat my self here you ignored that pretty important piece...I also said i play with the AMR then comes here and let me know you can easily take care of Hulks thank you so much for the hollow advice! Shooting at limbs is OLD news but even that has been removed from nerf 2 dealing with striders. I like the weapon due to its reward for carefull aim and fun factor and it was never a META to begin with ive seen rarely people using it in all my gaming sessions with randoms and friends.

The gun is in accurate yet has its charms and rewards i knew if i can headshot the enemy it would be satisfying. However due to its inaccuracy and up close i rather aim at other weak spots ie belly or crutch area which worked without issue with the vanilla version. I was playing with randoms it can go good most of the times and others it can be very problematic you cant have always success. You say cover? Are you really that ignorant? Bots can shoot through solid cover even mountains and many people know this nasty bug. So there goes your valuable advise...I did learned one thing that people with REAL skill the skill level that is NIGHT and DAY they don't POST and tell another player how to play you won't see them doing this to much honor. People that do...are generally over estimating their silly skills that amount to nothing.

Then comes here and be "passive agressive" with all these silly remarks about "what name is that unit"? If you had a brain you would understand no? Then why keep at it? What's your goal? Is your goal to come here and legitimatley "help" or something else? Are you a AH lurker? Do you suffer from Stockholm syndrome?

If you are good like really good go ahead give your self a challenge upload a video with you doing solo on helldive with no stratagems nor eagle strike only your primary and your call in weapon and supply pack call in just like Portico you guy's are AWESOME! Then i might consider you a real hardcore ELITIST player. Ive solo'd suicide and helldiver before the increases spawn rate but i had NO fun doing this. Then start being passive aggresive at Narshiph get a hobby dude or are you a dude should i call you a woman or hybrid a monkey a cockroach i don't know what creature you are? Maybe a "Curry jar"? Ishan...you are no Lord nor a Master nor the sun neither are you benevolent nor compassionate next time think about your avatar name no? Put some money where your mouth is play solo with no stratagems nor eagles just do it and upload it! Common your'e a great player a master you can do it i have faith in you oh Lord! LMAO....
Última edición por lawshadow; 17 MAY 2024 a las 1:17 p. m.
Portico 17 MAY 2024 a las 2:04 p. m. 
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You suck man
Why aren't you turning down the difficulty?
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