This is not how you handle a minor negative change.

[The Great Cat]

Watching this reaction to the update is honestly embarrassing. The amount of people I have seen in here and the discord saying "The game is over" is sad. I'm starting to think that the people who are just complaining have wanted the game to die since the start or are being paid by off by some rival game companies. Now I don't really agree with the flamethrower changes however the way people have been taking this is horrible. This is the exact reason why most developers don't want to change their formula or try something new because they're afraid of making a small change and the entire community goes berserk. I won't be surprised if after this entire fiasco dies out that the devs don't do another one of these major updates because the way this played out. Now I'm not saying everyone was like this there are some people in the discord and discussions who are giving calm criticism because they want this game to live. Then there is the other side who see one thing they don't like and throw in the towel. I want this game to carry on but the only way it does is if people calm down and voice their concerns instead of blaming the devs. Additionally do NOT listen to what the doom posting youtubers say they are just trying to make money, which I can't hate, but I'm pretty sure a large amount of people are being like this because they saw a doom post on youtube.

[MrSoul]

lol why would Microsoft pay people to smear campaign this game?

It’s already “dead”, Jim.

Be more likely buy out AH from Sony.

[A Humble Fry Cook]

The amount of people who dismiss others opinions on a game is honestly embarrassing.

[Flavalicious]

I think your over thinking it, the "outrage" you see on here is not representative of the overall player base. Me and my 2 buddies bought the game like 2 weeks ago, we see tons and tons of brand new players, people who didn't even have the breaker unlocked, none of us main the flamethrower so to us, nothings changed. Been the same 40kish players online daily since we bough the game before the patch. We've been clearing 8s steadily without the nerfed weapons, cobbled together a few 9 wins against the bugs, its not like those difficulties are suddenly unbeatable.

Most people just play the game, Steam forums are a niche.

[Professor Hugedix]

It's nobody's job to pretend the game is flawless so it doesn't die except the dev's.

[CloversDrop]

This update is the straw that broke the camels back.

The nerfs having been coming thick and fast ever update.
2 updates ago they agreed that nerfs weren't the way to go.
Then carried on with the nerfs.

If you're new to the game or haven't been here since the first nerf patch, you probably don't understand why people are annoyed.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
This is now the 3rd time they've fooled us.

[The Roach]

This entire discussion board is embarrassing ngl.

[Koala 4peace]

I remember that in the Elden Ring forum people were quite adamant about it being a dead game with around 30k average players per day. Now, it's true that ER is a single player game and this one is multi, so it's more important for this one, but still. Kind or absurd. I do agree with doomsayers that the game should have been able to retain more % of the playerbase, but completely disagree on the reasons it can't.

[The Great Cat]

Originally posted by Flavalicious:

I think your over thinking it, the "outrage" you see on here is not representative of the overall player base. Me and my 2 buddies bought the game like 2 weeks ago, we see tons and tons of brand new players, people who didn't even have the breaker unlocked, none of us main the flamethrower so to us, nothings changed. Been the same 40kish players online daily since we bough the game before the patch. We've been clearing 8s steadily without the nerfed weapons, cobbled together a few 9 wins against the bugs, its not like those difficulties are suddenly unbeatable.

Most people just play the game, Steam forums are a niche.

Yea I know I'm just saying that there is a chance that the devs will see these and think that they do represent the majority I'm just trying to hopefully reason with the people who are outraged and voice their concerns calmly so this game can continue on and not die out due to this. But I agree with you that I may have overthought it in hindsight.

[Tahla]

The game won't die because of a nerf, the game will die because of lost developer trust. Bugs that work against us stay unfixed for months:
- spear finally fixed after 4 or 5 months not working properly
- arc thrower now shows you that it fails instead of just failing, will this ever get fixed?
- bile titan heads being immune to damage sometimes

Also people being fed up with crashes and not getting any rewards. And last but not least we have indirect nerfs by getting new enemies that invalidate previous balancing like buffed charger behemoths now taking two AT rockets to the face instead of one, basically cutting the ammo of most AT options in half for a very common enemy.

There are already quite a few videos on youtube to choose from if you don't want to look at the patch notes yourself for a timeline of events and what the problems are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU4ZtUTE-9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0DrraZ5tb0

And a good video on why a lot of weapons just feel bad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP-uD0Ee37s

[junimai233]

I think it's just the compounded reaction from the launch.

Imagine you got the game early, got the liberator penetrator or the liberator explosive or whatever, use it for a bit and realised it kinda sucks.

Then you're thinking, "well, they gonna balance it soon right?". Two months later they buff it a bit in 1.000.200 but it's still meh.

Fast forward to 4 months after that and they're still ass, got eclipsed by newer warbond weapons, and they nerf the other thing you like.

Of course they got pissy about this

[PhyrixisGaming]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdOw4XQ3R8w

Things like this is amazingly coming out of this whole situation. sooo...meh.

[Viper Vapor 419]

Originally posted by CowboyArc:

Watching this reaction to the update is honestly embarrassing. The amount of people I have seen in here and the discord saying "The game is over" is sad. I'm starting to think that the people who are just complaining have wanted the game to die since the start or are being paid by Microsoft. Now I don't really agree with the flamethrower changes however the way people have been taking this is horrible. This is the exact reason why most developers don't want to change their formula or try something new because they're afraid of making a small change and the entire community goes berserk. I won't be surprised if after this entire fiasco dies out that the devs don't do another one of these major updates because the way this played out. Now I'm not saying everyone was like this there are some people in the discord and discussions who are giving calm criticism because they want this game to live. Then there is the other side who see one thing they don't like and throw in the towel. I want this game to carry on but the only way it does is if people calm down and voice their concerns instead of blaming the devs. Additionally do NOT listen to what the doom posting youtubers say they are just trying to make money, which I can't hate, but I'm pretty sure a large amount of people are being like this because they saw a doom post on youtube.

This is going to sound Ironic, given your Username but, get off your high horse, Keyboard Cowboy. People are allowed to voice their displeasure when a game that had so much promise went and swirlied itself down the toilet. You make change by being loud with your displeasure, not by shutting up and just "accepting it".

TLDR: Forgive us for being Free Thinkers.

[D a R i U z Z]

"being paid by microsoft" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell where do i sign up for this, i could have been getting PAID this whole time?

[Graf Erik]

Its not 'a minor negative change.'

Its a long chain of nerfs, with a massive nerf-bundle at the end.

Its been 3 month since AH declared that they realized that they overdid the nerfing and promised to do better. You know, the whole "It feels like every time someone finds something fun, the fun is removed" thing.
They said they would need some time to fix the issues, to fix the ballancing.

And then after 3 month, they dont release a reballance that makes 80% of the primaries (that noone ever uses because they are terrible) finaly good for something, instead they calmly drop the mother of all nerfes.

No, it wasnt 'a minor change'.
-They nerfed the I-Breaker. A weapon which had the one benefit, that you could exchange lower direct damage for slightly higher damage over time, giving it a slightly superior ammo economy. And the did so by taking away 1/3 of its ammo. Why? because 30% of the bug players used it.
-They did not just nerf the flametrower, they nerfed fire damage in total to completly uselessness. Meaning they pre-nerfed the new fire weapons, and they made the new fire armors useless before they even released them
-They nerfed the slugger, again, because we cant allow it that someone find a use for it.

-At the same time they added a whole bunch of new, stronger enemies, and started to spawn them on top of the existing ones. You now get an Impaler on top of three chargers, but you wont get more ammo, obviously.
-Because the one thing everyone has been complaining for ages on the bot front was the constant ragdolling, they released not one but two new, strong missile units to give you the ultimate ragdolling experience
-And just to ensure that the bug players doesnt feel left out, they now also get the ragdolling experience with a new enemy that can ragdoll you from the other side of the map with no line of sight
-They now spawn hunters in packs of 5-10, oh, and they can now one-shot you
-And chargers can now somehow do a full stop in 2m, AND a 180° turn at the same time, and they are completly immune to fire damage

Did I miss something?

[Wackywizard]

Originally posted by CowboyArc:

Watching this reaction to the update is honestly embarrassing. The amount of people I have seen in here and the discord saying "The game is over" is sad. I'm starting to think that the people who are just complaining have wanted the game to die since the start or are being paid by Microsoft. Now I don't really agree with the flamethrower changes however the way people have been taking this is horrible. This is the exact reason why most developers don't want to change their formula or try something new because they're afraid of making a small change and the entire community goes berserk. I won't be surprised if after this entire fiasco dies out that the devs don't do another one of these major updates because the way this played out. Now I'm not saying everyone was like this there are some people in the discord and discussions who are giving calm criticism because they want this game to live. Then there is the other side who see one thing they don't like and throw in the towel. I want this game to carry on but the only way it does is if people calm down and voice their concerns instead of blaming the devs. Additionally do NOT listen to what the doom posting youtubers say they are just trying to make money, which I can't hate, but I'm pretty sure a large amount of people are being like this because they saw a doom post on youtube.

you are embarrassing, acting like it was one small thing, it WAS THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMELS BACK. Putting your head up your butt and acting like everything was all ok and then this small thing happened makes either dishonest or ignorant . My steps sons are gamers and they haven't played , there mainly fortnight and COD, they wanted me to log on to show them the game, just yesterday , I can sum it best with what one of the 20 years said " this game is like you running around like a weak scared little ♥♥♥♥♥, what the hell is this" that is not how the game felt at launch. now the devs have clearly said the game was BROKEN at launch, so the VAST MAJORITY of people HAVING FUN, were playing wrong, and after MANY MONTHS AND SEVERAL UPDATES ! not one event, you total stooge, the game is becoming aligned with THEIR VISION . of how THEY FEEL THE GAME SHOULD BE PLAYED, not good game design, not fun . in a pve game with variable difficulty sliders where they can easily add higher difficulty levels , this is just bonkers, now maybe they have to many players, maybe they want the vast majority of players to stop playing NUMBERS SHOW THEY ALREADY HAVE ! and a VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE , are still holding on to hope that THINGS WILL CHANGE FOR THE BETTER !? but maybe you are right and you and your no lifer try hard play for free friends will keep the game sustainable long term... you bucket head