HMG slaps now, great update!

[Roy]

• Mows down chaff with ease (even chainsaw bots)
  
• Shoots down shriekers&gunships with ease
  
• Kills hulks, tanks and bile titan bellies with ease
  
• Can speedrun factory striders by going full auto into their belly
  
• Effective when tap-firing long range, effective when letting it rip at short range
  
• VERY accurate&controllable when used with recoil reduction armor
  
• Very quick to turn when used with the new handling improving armor
  
• Climax in your pants everytime you hear it fire
  
• Pack a supply pack and you'll have plenty of ammo while still resupplying your friends
  
• Feel like a heavy combine soldier

This update took the HMG from a meme weapon i despised to my favorite main support weapon now.

I see a lot of hate for the update, there should be some praise for fixing weapons like the HMG, spear, assault rifles and a lot of stratagems (orbitals and MG sentry finally worth it).
Not to mention finally being able to chat during mission prep and post mission summary or the ability to use foliage as actual concealment for stealth.

Fantastic update!

[The Ironguard]

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

True it's much better now. But they broke packing methodology so can't use it, i'm not wasting a stratagem slot for a supply pack

You totally should. The supply pack is AWESOME. It's practically the only backpack i run these days.

The HMG is indeed very lovely, especially against the bots, since it can kill basically everything if applied correctly. Very good for mowing down hordes of bugs too though.

[Roy]

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

True it's much better now. But they broke packing methodology so can't use it, i'm not wasting a stratagem slot for a supply pack

I always bring supply pack when using any of the MG's so it's alright with me tbh, i like being able to resupply teammates who are out of stims/ammo.
What do you mean by packing methodology though?

[The Ironguard]

Originally posted by Roy:

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

True it's much better now. But they broke packing methodology so can't use it, i'm not wasting a stratagem slot for a supply pack

I always bring supply pack when using any of the MG's so it's alright with me tbh, i like being able to resupply teammates who are out of stims/ammo.
What do you mean by packing methodology though?

Apparently the latest patch re-broke packing methodology (the upgrade that lets you fully restock support weapons from supply boxes)

Frankly, i never even noticed it had been fixed to begin with.

[Roy]

Originally posted by The Ironguard:

Originally posted by Roy:

I always bring supply pack when using any of the MG's so it's alright with me tbh, i like being able to resupply teammates who are out of stims/ammo.
What do you mean by packing methodology though?

Apparently the latest patch re-broke packing methodology (the upgrade that lets you fully restock support weapons from supply boxes)

Frankly, i never even noticed it had been fixed to begin with.

Oh that's annoying, i haven't noticed it myself luckily.
Everytime i resupply from a box it fully restocks the HMG with 2 mags, even when i self-resupply with the backpack it gives 2 mags as well.

Maybe i got lucky though, HD2's bugs can get insanely random.

[The Ironguard]

Originally posted by Roy:

Originally posted by The Ironguard:

Apparently the latest patch re-broke packing methodology (the upgrade that lets you fully restock support weapons from supply boxes)

Frankly, i never even noticed it had been fixed to begin with.

Oh that's annoying, i haven't noticed it myself luckily.
Everytime i resupply from a box it fully restocks the HMG with 2 mags, even when i self-resupply with the backpack it gives 2 mags as well.

Maybe i got lucky though, HD2's bugs can get insanely random.

I think the HMG just fully restocks anyway? I don't even have the upgrade and it still does for me. I think it's more things like the AMR (gets 3 of 6 mags per ressuply) and maybe the recoilless

[Roy]

Originally posted by The Ironguard:

Originally posted by Roy:

Oh that's annoying, i haven't noticed it myself luckily.
Everytime i resupply from a box it fully restocks the HMG with 2 mags, even when i self-resupply with the backpack it gives 2 mags as well.

Maybe i got lucky though, HD2's bugs can get insanely random.

I think the HMG just fully restocks anyway? I don't even have the upgrade and it still does for me. I think it's more things like the AMR (gets 3 of 6 mags per ressuply) and maybe the recoilless

Yeah i think you're right, because the supply pack normally doesn't give full ammo even with the perk unlocked.

I did try the spear yesterday and got full ammo from 1 supply box, but maybe that's standard without the upgrade as well.

[The Ironguard]

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

Originally posted by The Ironguard:

You totally should. The supply pack is AWESOME. It's practically the only backpack i run these days.

The HMG is indeed very lovely, especially against the bots, since it can kill basically everything if applied correctly. Very good for mowing down hordes of bugs too though.

Its not awesome, its in the top 3 worst stratagems, but if you enjoy it thats fine. Its a waste of a slot

Please explain to me how having effectively unlimited ammo, grenades and stims is bad.

I mean what are my alternatives? Shield pack? It's borderline useless. the shield bubble is a bigger target, and it runs out in no time against bots, and if you are getting hit by bugs at all, you are doing it wrong.

Drone backpack? Yeah, no, i prefer not getting shot in the head by my own drone.

Ballistic shield? I do love it against bots, but it's more of a niche build thing.

I mean sure, then there's support weapons that require a backpack, but i don't count those under backpacks.

[Roy]

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

Originally posted by The Ironguard:

Please explain to me how having effectively unlimited ammo, grenades and stims is bad.

Because you get that anyway with the infinite supply boxes lying around plus resupply.

You are sacrificing a 500kg bomb, cluster, airstrike, maybe a gas strike per minute, just to make viable a weapon that is already a waste of a slot because you lost your AT to use it

Unless your entire team packs quasars or other laser weapons you'll often be helping them stay alive and in the game all whilst having a virtually infinite supply of ammo for your MG, allowing you to fire it carelessly.

You can resupply a spear/recoilless/AMR user as they're quick to run out of ammo too.

It's far from a wasted slot, any of the other backpacks seems more like a "waste" than the supply pack imo.
It MIGHT be less useful on lower difficulties, i mainly play 7~9 and with the abundance of enemies i'd imagine it's easier to run out of ammo and stims before the next supply drop is ready.

[The Ironguard]

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

Originally posted by The Ironguard:

Please explain to me how having effectively unlimited ammo, grenades and stims is bad.

Because you get that anyway with the infinite supply boxes lying around plus resupply.

You are sacrificing a 500kg bomb, cluster, airstrike, maybe a gas strike per minute, just to make viable a weapon that is already a waste of a slot because you lost your AT to use it

Well, first off, those "infinite supply boxes" are not that infinite, and don't always have all the things, plus you can't just run over and get them if you're running out of ammo mid-fight. The supply backpack adds a lot more flexibility.

On top of that, the supply pack makes supply drops effectively count double, since it will both resupply you, and give you a supply pack charge.

Also, how am i sacrificing anything? i still got 3 more slots to put stuff in. Besides, 500 KG bomb is overrated. Precision strike and 110mm rockets will serve just fine for anti-armor, and that's assuming i even need anti-armor. If i'm fighting bots, HMG will kill anything and everything. At that point, having a 110 mm strike or an airstrike is just for taking out fabricators at range, or if i can't be arsed to immobilize a tank.

[Mezore]

HMG, best DMR in the game with an optional DPS mode to shred anything. Or how to make every primary weapon into some basic support weapon :D

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

It's very good now and very fun. I've been taking it for bugs to shred them. Good against bile titan bellies, and kind of crap against chargers, but if you can weaken the armor in any place it will shred them too.

The damage is obviously great, and the new commando armors even make the handling better. There's few things more satisfying than going prone and completely unloading this thing into distant shrieker nests or spore spewers. The faster reload really makes your guy hurry the F*** up so you can shoot more, it's far far more usable than before.

Originally posted by Helldivers™ 2:

True it's much better now. But they broke packing methodology so can't use it, i'm not wasting a stratagem slot for a supply pack

I don't know why everyone has ammo problems that they feel like the absolutely need a supply pack in this game for anything. POI ammo boxes give an entire mag each and they're everywhere. You should always be using your primary too. You really don't need to be using HMG on anything smaller than a hive guard.

I really like supply backpack as a stratagem, but every time I take it I feel like I didn't really need it in the first place unless I'm being careless with my ammo.

[Daos]

still needs its very broken sight to be fixed as you can only use the lowest fire rate as the recoil is still excessive

[The Ironguard]

Originally posted by Daos:

still needs its very broken sight to be fixed as you can only use the lowest fire rate as the recoil is still excessive

well it is a HEAVY MG :p

And yeah, the "height over bore" thing on a lot of the sights need to be fixed, though at least they are now marking it as a known issue, not a "design feature" :p

[Quadsword]

Way too much recoil to be usable without an armor set that reduces recoil.

Way too little ammo to be usable without a supply pack.

Nah, I'll stick to my trusty laser cannon.

[Cadwell]

Originally posted by Roy:

• Mows down chaff with ease (even chainsaw bots)
  
• Shoots down shriekers&gunships with ease
  
• Kills hulks, tanks and bile titan bellies with ease
  
• Can speedrun factory striders by going full auto into their belly
  
• Effective when tap-firing long range, effective when letting it rip at short range
  
• VERY accurate&controllable when used with recoil reduction armor
  
• Very quick to turn when used with the new handling improving armor
  
• Climax in your pants everytime you hear it fire
  
• Pack a supply pack and you'll have plenty of ammo while still resupplying your friends
  
• Feel like a heavy combine soldier

This update took the HMG from a meme weapon i despised to my favorite main support weapon now.

I see a lot of hate for the update, there should be some praise for fixing weapons like the HMG, spear, assault rifles and a lot of stratagems (orbitals and MG sentry finally worth it).
Not to mention finally being able to chat during mission prep and post mission summary or the ability to use foliage as actual concealment for stealth.

Fantastic update!

Agreed, it's been quite improved since the last time!

If the Devs could give it 100 mag size insteas of 75, we'd be in business and i would never bring any other MG in the Bot missions ever again.