Harvester

[Taxuk0]

I use this Eruptor to break the shield, and then I use the spear to kill him. however, I have to shoot him 3 times to make him die. and this happens all the time. you always need to hit 2-3 times. Why doesn't he die after 1 shot? The spear does 4,000 damage. This thing doesn't even have that much hp for 1 shot, why the hell won't it die? even if I use Recoilless Rifle. It can still withstand 2-3 shots.

[Chaos]

Spear is just a bad joke.
Only use it for the meme.

Beside, Eruptor can kill Harvester just by itself anyway.
Just aim for that fleshy leg joint after the shield down.
3 shots should do it, if you hit the right spot.

[Taxuk0]

Originally posted by Chaos:

Spear is just a bad joke.
Only use it for the meme.

Beside, Eruptor can kill Harvester just by itself anyway.
Just aim for that fleshy leg joint after the shield down.
3 shots should do it, if you hit the right spot.

That's understandable enough. The point is for the spear to do its job.

[MagikarpMagi]

Unless you're trying to take out the Leviathans I wouldn't bring anything bigger than an MG tbh. Harvesters get sprayed down easily

edit: I think the spear isn't doing its job because it doesn't hit the exact same place twice

[Taxuk0]

Originally posted by MagikarpMagi:

Unless you're trying to take out the Leviathans I wouldn't bring anything bigger than an MG tbh. Harvesters get sprayed down easily

edit: I think the spear isn't doing its job because it doesn't hit the exact same place twice

It sounds dumb. the spear has a penetration of 7. 4000 damage. This monster has 3,000 hp and actually 0 armor against the spear. By what miracle does he not die?

[The Monke]

Originally posted by Taxuk0:

I use this Eruptor to break the shield, and then I use the spear to kill him. however, I have to shoot him 3 times to make him die. and this happens all the time. you always need to hit 2-3 times. Why doesn't he die after 1 shot? The spear does 4,000 damage. This thing doesn't even have that much hp for 1 shot, why the hell won't it die? even if I use Recoilless Rifle. It can still withstand 2-3 shots.

They have heavy armor on the body and the spear locks onto the body, the Spear's rocket will destroy the armor first before doing damage to the main body, hence why 2-3 are needed. The weak point is it's leg and hip joints, one EAT to one of the leg or 'hip' joints will instantly kill a Harvester. Medium armor pen weapons can destroy it's shield generators (The two prongs on it's face).

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Taxuk0:

That's understandable enough. The point is for the spear to do its job.

Well we have to separate the issues here first.

First, Spear suck ass, since they can't be aim at weakspot but also doesn't have enough damage to brute force either.
Just a trash AT gun overall.

Second, Harvester also have ablative like overseer, so you can't really one shot it most of the time, even with an actually good AT gun like RR (let alone POS like Spear) unless you aim at it "fleshy leg joint" part, which is like no armor at all.

So, unless AH buff the Spear a lot, I don't see how it gonna be able to do it's job at all.

[Taxuk0]

Originally posted by The Monke:

Originally posted by Taxuk0:

I use this Eruptor to break the shield, and then I use the spear to kill him. however, I have to shoot him 3 times to make him die. and this happens all the time. you always need to hit 2-3 times. Why doesn't he die after 1 shot? The spear does 4,000 damage. This thing doesn't even have that much hp for 1 shot, why the hell won't it die? even if I use Recoilless Rifle. It can still withstand 2-3 shots.

They have heavy armor on the body and the spear locks onto the body, the Spear's rocket will destroy the armor first before doing damage to the main body. The weak point is it's leg and hip joints, one EAT to one of the leg or 'hip' joints will instantly kill a Harvester. Medium armor pen weapons can destroy it's shield generators (The two prongs on it's face).

I think I've figured out what the problem is..The missile doesn't hit the armor. She gets into Prongs (The thing is on that thing's head and it doesn't kill because of it. Because I don't see any other reason)

[Taxuk0]

Originally posted by Chaos:

Originally posted by Taxuk0:

That's understandable enough. The point is for the spear to do its job.

Well we have to separate the issues here first.

First, Spear suck ass, since they can't be aim at weakspot but also doesn't have enough damage to brute force either.
Just a trash AT gun overall.

Second, Harvester also have ablative like overseer, so you can't really one shot it most of the time, even with an actually good AT gun like RR (let alone POS like Spear) unless you aim at it "fleshy leg joint" part, which is like no armor at all.

So, unless AH buff the Spear a lot, I don't see how it gonna be able to do it's job at all.

God..What a mess. Waiting for the buff

[Rilgar55]

Spear isnt good vs illuminate. Its better to just bring the heavy machine gun or autocannon so you can deal with every kind of big enemy the illuminate have right now (except leviathans)

[Zaidah]

SPEAR can one-shot a harvester, the eye must be facing you and you should aim "high" so the projectile hits the eye. Same applies against bile titan and its forehead.

The conveniance of auto-aim requires in turn a specific positionning between you and your target (which can in turn be jeopardized by your teammates, turrets, civilian or terrain). It's more conveniant to bring against bugs or bots since it works wonder against "smaller" targets like charger, tanks and hulks, which you should one shot everytime unless you get some weird angle on them.

[PhantomΩ]

I 1 shot them with EAT to the leg joint

[Limdood]

So the main issue here is the armor. If you look at the wiki for the game, where it details the breakdown of enemy body parts, and you dig into the table of stats it gives, you can see the carapace armor - the armor plating around the main body, has 800 hp, is 75% durable, has heavy armor, transfers 10% of damage to main, and destroying it is NOT lethal.

This means that hitting that armor only transfers 10% of the damage through to the main healthpool. and actually chewing through the 800 hp of the armor itself just makes the armor fall off without killing it. Your spear (and the wasp) automatically locks on and hits the enemy wherever is convenient for itself. The odds of subsequent shots hitting the exact same body part are....well, it doesn't really matter what the actual chances are because they're not up to you. Smacking different parts of the main body with spears just knocks off different armor pieces, doing 10% damage each time.

As others have already said, aim for the "hip joint", where the leg meets the body. it has 1000 hp, medium armor, and is lethal. Shooting the main body just generally isn't that useful. the eye, the prongs (shield generator), the main body armor, and the vents underneath the main body are ALL not lethal spots. destroying them doesn't kill the harvester.

While an eruptor CAN kill them, it's slower projectile speed and inability to 1-shot the 1000 hp hip means you have to land several shots on the same hip. Alternatively a commando deals 1100 damage and can be guided, or if you just want a quick-firing weapon, an EAT or recoilless will pretty much instantly arrive at the target

[Shy]

Harvesters are a weird one, sometimes a single eagle rocket pod kills them other times it takes 5, I'm guessing it's just their shape and if the projectiles hit a weakpoint or not.

[MagikarpMagi]

Originally posted by Taxuk0:

Originally posted by MagikarpMagi:

Unless you're trying to take out the Leviathans I wouldn't bring anything bigger than an MG tbh. Harvesters get sprayed down easily

edit: I think the spear isn't doing its job because it doesn't hit the exact same place twice

It sounds dumb. the spear has a penetration of 7. 4000 damage. This monster has 3,000 hp and actually 0 armor against the spear. By what miracle does he not die?

I think maybe someone already covered it, but it's the ablative armor. One hit to peel it, one hit to do damage to the peeled spot. Spear isn't guaranteed to hit the same spot is all.

[Taxuk0]

Originally posted by Limdood:

So the main issue here is the armor. If you look at the wiki for the game, where it details the breakdown of enemy body parts, and you dig into the table of stats it gives, you can see the carapace armor - the armor plating around the main body, has 800 hp, is 75% durable, has heavy armor, transfers 10% of damage to main, and destroying it is NOT lethal.

This means that hitting that armor only transfers 10% of the damage through to the main healthpool. and actually chewing through the 800 hp of the armor itself just makes the armor fall off without killing it. Your spear (and the wasp) automatically locks on and hits the enemy wherever is convenient for itself. The odds of subsequent shots hitting the exact same body part are....well, it doesn't really matter what the actual chances are because they're not up to you. Smacking different parts of the main body with spears just knocks off different armor pieces, doing 10% damage each time.

As others have already said, aim for the "hip joint", where the leg meets the body. it has 1000 hp, medium armor, and is lethal. Shooting the main body just generally isn't that useful. the eye, the prongs (shield generator), the main body armor, and the vents underneath the main body are ALL not lethal spots. destroying them doesn't kill the harvester.

While an eruptor CAN kill them, it's slower projectile speed and inability to 1-shot the 1000 hp hip means you have to land several shots on the same hip. Alternatively a commando deals 1100 damage and can be guided, or if you just want a quick-firing weapon, an EAT or recoilless will pretty much instantly arrive at the target

ooooooh, It makes sense. thx alot !!