Whats so good about the Verdict anyway?

[👽GLEEPUS👽]

I've seen multiple people going crazy over the Verdict, but looking at it from the warbond screen, it looks pretty... normal. Decent damage, med pen, it looks like a nice weapon, but nothing super duper cool.

So why exactly do people like it so much?

[Midas]

Medium pen on a semiautomatic primary isn't normal. It trades a bit of the senator's damage for a ton more ammo, and can be leaned on way more to carry way more weight in combat. You can feasible pair it with a highly specialized primary that isn't as ideal for close range or quick fights, and then lean entirely on the verdict for that.

[👽GLEEPUS👽]

Originally posted by Midas:

Medium pen on a semiautomatic primary isn't normal. It trades a bit of the senator's damage for a ton more ammo, and can be leaned on way more to carry way more weight in combat. You can feasible pair it with a highly specialized primary that isn't as ideal for close range or quick fights, and then lean entirely on the verdict for that.

After reading this, I feel like this should've been obvious.

Maybe I AM stupid...

[Gibbe]

Originally posted by 👽GLEEPUS👽:

Originally posted by Midas:

Medium pen on a semiautomatic primary isn't normal. It trades a bit of the senator's damage for a ton more ammo, and can be leaned on way more to carry way more weight in combat. You can feasible pair it with a highly specialized primary that isn't as ideal for close range or quick fights, and then lean entirely on the verdict for that.

After reading this, I feel like this should've been obvious.

Maybe I AM stupid...

I'm gonna be honest it still gets mogged by the senator, people can come up with plenty of on paper reasons how the verdict has advantages over it but it really doesn't match up.

[zidj]

it has the exact same bullet and ballistics as the Reprimand, so really good breakpoints, but with only pistol-tier spread instead of shotgun-tier spread

[zidj]

Originally posted by Gibbe:

I'm gonna be honest it still gets mogged by the senator, people can come up with plenty of on paper reasons how the verdict has advantages over it but it really doesn't match up.

the only things senator does better is killing hulks and onetapping overseers (but verdict 2 taps them anyway so..)
verdict shoots faster, reloads faster, has more ammo, they have identical spread, and their breakpoints are otherwise pretty similar

these are all practical real world pros it has over the senator, not just spreadsheet silliness

[Mosey]

It's just a solid all around pistol. It's not really specialized, but as a general sidearm it's great. It's the one pistol that you can use as a ghetto primary and not feel off with in my experience and is always a solid pick.

Sure it doesn't damage heavy targets, but a pistol shouldn't need to.

Not knocking the Revolver, it's solid, but they don't really do the same job either.

[Angarvin]

for me its a security pick on bug front.
after the recent patches constellations are all kinds of messed up and you can never tell what you gonna see on the surface. luckily verdict is good on any bug constellation. hunters, hive guards, both nursing and bile spewers - it doesnt matter.
so if you missed with your primary or support pick - verdict has you covered.

[JPM]

Because of how versatile it is. Can OHKO most chaff (stupid hunters), can OHKO every variant of the devastator when shot in the face, has 8 rounds per mag, medium pen, handles well, still hits relatively hard, shoots fast and reloads fast.

70% of the time I always bring this against the bots,
60% of the time against squids,
and 40% of the time against bugs.

Even after the reload buff on the Senator, I still preferred the Verdict over the Senator, especially if it has good synergy with the loadout I'm going with.

[AnemoneMeer]

Originally posted by Gibbe:

Originally posted by 👽GLEEPUS👽:

After reading this, I feel like this should've been obvious.

Maybe I AM stupid...

I'm gonna be honest it still gets mogged by the senator, people can come up with plenty of on paper reasons how the verdict has advantages over it but it really doesn't match up.

Not really. Verdict has 90 rounds and one of the fastest reload speeds in the game. Senator has 46 rounds and one of the slower reloads unless reloading from completely empty.

That is just two bullets shy of double the ammo supply. On two guns that share a number of one-hit kill thresholds.

[Delta Dagger]

Medium pen, decent mag size, good damage, great handling.

[Postman Pat]

Verdict gets obliterated by the Senator.
Yeah, it has medium pen and more ammo - but the spread is terrible, it has brutal recoil, and the damage per shot due to matching most targets' armor class makes the "extra ammo" mostly worthless. Sure, it can obliterate light armor targets. Who cares? Single shot Redeemer does that, too, with even more ammo. Are you routinely swapping to your secondary to kill every scarab that walks your way or do you just grenade pistol 10 of them at once and move on?

There's no reason to run the Verdict while Dagger, Ultimatum, Senator, Grenade Pistol and even the Bushwhacker exist. They all poop on the Verdict. There's nothing inherently wrong with the Verdict in the same way that there's nothing inherently wrong with the Peacemaker. The question is just "why run this" when other options do more for you. You CAN run it, though, for sure.

[zidj]

Originally posted by Postman Pat:

Verdict gets obliterated by the Senator.
Yeah, it has medium pen and more ammo - but the spread is terrible, it has brutal recoil, and the damage per shot due to matching most targets armor class makes the "extra ammo" mostly worthless. Sure, it can obliterate light armor targets. Who cares? Single shot Redeemer does that, too, with even more ammo.

There's no reason to run the redeemer while Dagger, Ultimatum, Senator, Grenade Pistol and even the Bushwhacker exist. They all poop on the Verdict.

Nearly every pistol has identical spread. Dagger, Talon, Loyalist and Grenade Pistol are the few exceptions. It's not a W for the senator. It too is plagued by the same amount of spread.

[Postman Pat]

I rarely miss with the senator, and when it hits twice the target is dead. Perhaps that's why it's not as noticeable. This is improved when you run the new armor, too. So is the Verdict, sure, but anything that makes the Verdict better also makes the Senator - an already better weapon - even better.

[zidj]

Originally posted by Postman Pat:

I rarely miss with the senator, and when it hits twice the target is dead. Perhaps that's why it's not as noticeable. This is improved when you run the new armor, too. So is the Verdict, sure, but anything that makes the Verdict better also makes the Senator - an already better weapon - even better.

They have almost the same breakpoints give or take a single bullet against some targets. Verdict shoots the same exact hard-hitting bullet as reprimand but with less spread. It shoots faster than senator, it reloads faster than senator, they have similar recoil to each other.

[Midas]

Originally posted by Postman Pat:

Verdict gets obliterated by the Senator.
Yeah, it has medium pen and more ammo - but the spread is terrible, it has brutal recoil, and the damage per shot due to matching most targets' armor class makes the "extra ammo" mostly worthless. Sure, it can obliterate light armor targets. Who cares? Single shot Redeemer does that, too, with even more ammo. Are you routinely swapping to your secondary to kill every scarab that walks your way or do you just grenade pistol 10 of them at once and move on?

There's no reason to run the Verdict while Dagger, Ultimatum, Senator, Grenade Pistol and even the Bushwhacker exist. They all poop on the Verdict. There's nothing inherently wrong with the Verdict in the same way that there's nothing inherently wrong with the Peacemaker. The question is just "why run this" when other options do more for you. You CAN run it, though, for sure.

The spread is identical.

It has the same recoil, worse vertical drift, but better horizontal drift, and better ergonomics. It actually functionally has better recoil, since while it kicks about the same, the better ergonomics means it will recover more quickly.

The 'extra ammo' gives it versatility, you can mag-dump with it, you can shoot smaller targets with it. You don't have to be stingy with it like with a senator.

It has 30% more DPS than the Senator does, so it easily makes up for the lower damage vs AV3 with its fire rate, reload speed, and capacity, if needed.

Yes, it obliterates light targets, but a redeemer doesn't obliterate medium targets. The Verdict does both.

Why would you run it over the dagger? Because the dagger's DPS sucks.
Over the ultimatum or grenade pistol? Because you already have explosive/anti-tank elsewhere and don't need a secondary that will never see use.
Over the senator? Because you want to actually have enough ammo to use it freely and not be stingy on whether something is worth a bullet or not. And you want to not have those garbage double dot sights. And much better handling.

Overall, it's the best general-purpose pistol. It can do extended gun fights, light removal, medium removal, and high burst damage. Most other pistols get 3/4 of those at once, though the verdict isn't the top at any specific category.