CEO gives quote "hats don't belong on helmets"

[Warboss Tuska Daemon-Killa]

Piledst said this in an interview, but there are already 2 helmets with hats on them??? The beret??????????? These guys haven't ever played their own game LMAO

[Midas]

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Of course americans would invent cowboy hat safety helmets.

Actually, I think its from the Europeans. It was way more common (and was codified into rule sets first) in dressage where they started wanting hard hats inside the black hats...

I def had to have helmet inserts for any European style riding I did is a kid, where most western style comps had inserts optional.

I will say though, as someone who has had 3 helmets get shattered in half in my life time (once on horseback, twice on bike) I am a firm proponent of them! I would be dead three times over if not for them.

I mean, for something as specific as riding a horse, I guess it makes sense. Not sure it necessarily needs to be any different than a motorcycle or bicycle helmet, though.

[Lachdamon XD]

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what kind of winged cowboy hat used on a helmet do we have? None. A cool cowboy hat isn't dumb, it's pretty cool only it doesn't make any sense like an umbrella skin on Deep Rock Galactic.

I didn't say we have a winged cowboy hat? We have helmets with barrets, and we have hoods. Doesn't change the fact that an actual cowboy hat would look dumb.

But you compared the winged cowboy kinda hat ON helmets with the other things we have as if they were somehow the same, but they aren't, not at all. And that's why the beret doesn't look silly, right?

Point is: an umbrella skin/tool in a cave being dumb doesn't mean an umbrella weilding character is inherently dumb (f.ex. Deadlock's Raven).

[xSOSxHawkens]

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Actually, I think its from the Europeans. It was way more common (and was codified into rule sets first) in dressage where they started wanting hard hats inside the black hats...

I def had to have helmet inserts for any European style riding I did is a kid, where most western style comps had inserts optional.

I will say though, as someone who has had 3 helmets get shattered in half in my life time (once on horseback, twice on bike) I am a firm proponent of them! I would be dead three times over if not for them.

I mean, for something as specific as riding a horse, I guess it makes sense. Not sure it necessarily needs to be any different than a motorcycle or bicycle helmet, though.

allot of horseback riding has a set standard for what could broadly be called "uniforms". From the western look, to the European look, to very specific styles such as the black coats and white pants of Dressage (which even Martha Steward and Snoop Dog showed respect to). In allot of cases you simply cant even compete if you dont have the right gear, and a motor cycle helmet would be a quick dequal. In modern times these aesthetics have pushed up against safety from unfortunate instances of people getting killed in competitions and such. Thus the modern design of helmet inserts to try and help.

Take my case for example, early on learning to ride, got bucked off and trampled. The helmet took a hoof, but saved my head.

[Midas]

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I didn't say we have a winged cowboy hat? We have helmets with barrets, and we have hoods. Doesn't change the fact that an actual cowboy hat would look dumb.

But you compared the winged cowboy kinda hat ON helmets with the other things we have as if they were somehow the same, but they aren't, not at all. And that's why the beret doesn't look silly, right?

Point is: an umbrella skin/tool in a cave being dumb doesn't mean an umbrella weilding character is inherently dumb (f.ex. Deadlock's Raven).

Yes, they're not the same. One's a beret, the other's a cowboy hat. Obviously. It's still a hat on a helmet.

If you have a point here, I'm not sure what it is.

[Pronnu]

Imagine selling the sheriff set on the store but don't even include a hat.
Lame.
Imagine adding the hat-tipping emote. But no hat!

[Midas]

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I mean, for something as specific as riding a horse, I guess it makes sense. Not sure it necessarily needs to be any different than a motorcycle or bicycle helmet, though.

allot of horseback riding has a set standard for what could broadly be called "uniforms". From the western look, to the European look, to very specific styles such as the black coats and white pants of Dressage (which even Martha Steward and Snoop Dog showed respect to). In allot of cases you simply cant even compete if you dont have the right gear, and a motor cycle helmet would be a quick dequal. In modern times these aesthetics have pushed up against safety from unfortunate instances of people getting killed in competitions and such. Thus the modern design of helmet inserts to try and help.

Take my case for example, early on learning to ride, got bucked off and trampled. The helmet took a hoof, but saved my head.

Okay, I guess that makes sense, but we're not riding horses, and safety impact helmets aren't ballistic helmets. I'm sure they COULD make a cowboy hat themed helmet that is a helmet that incorporates the aesthetics of a cowboy hat, but I don't think the end result would look any less silly than just putting a cowboy hat on a helmet like we have for the berets.

[ressenmacher]

xSOSx has already crushed the objections regarding the unmilitary look and lack of precedent regarding cowboy headwear. I just wanted to add that putting a hat on a helmet isn't even out of keeping with the Helldivers look.


Helldivers 2 already has multiple hats with helmets, including the PH-9 Predator, PH-56 Jaguar, UF-16 Inspector. Other helmets like the SC-30 Trailblazer Scout and IE-12 Righteous have hoods or cloth accessories, and still more such as the CE-27 Groundbreaker and AC-1 Dutiful are stylized to resemble hats.


As for concerns of practicality and whatnot...this is the same setting where disposable soldiers are thrown into battle with bayonetted rifles, turrets manufactured with packing peanuts and superglue, and helmets with giant wings that come off the sides. I think that ship sailed long ago

[Malidictus]

I've long suspected that Johan Pilestedt is at the core of so much that's wrong with this game. He's the guy who rejected increasing the HMG's ammo because the drum was visually not large enough. He's the one who gave the incredibly dumb "apple that tastes like bacon" comment in refutation of armour customisation. And now he's rejecting hats on helmets, despite the game already having hats on helmets, despite fiction being full of them.

So hats on helmets is stupid... but capes on plate armour isn't? "Oh, but it's the mark of a Helldiver." "Oh, but it's Super Earth propaganda." Yeah, we're wrong for wanting a "no cape" option, and also wrong for wanting a "yes hat" option. The reasoning - as with so many other bad decisions - seems to come down to whatever Pilestedt arbitrarily likes or doesn't like.

Yes, I appreciate the guy being open to criticism and willing to compromise with the playerbase, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell... He's a bottomless well of bafflingly bad takes and awful ideas. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Helldivers 2 wasn't a success because of Arrowhead's "vision". It was a success despite their best efforts to "fix" it. There's a reason some of the game's most popular updates were the ones where Arrowhead capitulated and just gave us what we were asking for.

I guess this is the life cycle of this game. Arrowheads say or do embarrassingly dumb things, which we end up having to fight them on for months before they relent. I guess "hats" is the next hill to die on for absolutely no reason.

[Lachdamon XD]

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But you compared the winged cowboy kinda hat ON helmets with the other things we have as if they were somehow the same, but they aren't, not at all. And that's why the beret doesn't look silly, right?

Point is: an umbrella skin/tool in a cave being dumb doesn't mean an umbrella weilding character is inherently dumb (f.ex. Deadlock's Raven).

Yes, they're not the same. One's a beret, the other's a cowboy hat. Obviously. It's still a hat on a helmet.

If you have a point here, I'm not sure what it is.

Don't worry I'll explain it just for you. Point is why they're not the same, same point as Pilested

If I use your argument: we could have a bare belly armor bc we already have exposed body parts armors...
- It would be dumb dude
- But it's an armor with exposed skin

[Midas]

İlk olarak Malidictus tarafından gönderildi:

I've long suspected that Johan Pilestedt is at the core of so much that's wrong with this game. He's the guy who rejected increasing the HMG's ammo because the drum was visually not large enough. He's the one who gave the incredibly dumb "apple that tastes like bacon" comment in refutation of armour customisation. And now he's rejecting hats on helmets, despite the game already having hats on helmets, despite fiction being full of them.

So hats on helmets is stupid... but capes on plate armour isn't? "Oh, but it's the mark of a Helldiver." "Oh, but it's Super Earth propaganda." Yeah, we're wrong for wanting a "no cape" option, and also wrong for wanting a "yes hat" option. The reasoning - as with so many other bad decisions - seems to come down to whatever Pilestedt arbitrarily likes or doesn't like.

Yes, I appreciate the guy being open to criticism and willing to compromise with the playerbase, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell... He's a bottomless well of bafflingly bad takes and awful ideas. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Helldivers 2 wasn't a success because of Arrowhead's "vision". It was a success despite their best efforts to "fix" it. There's a reason some of the game's most popular updates were the ones where Arrowhead capitulated and just gave us what we were asking for.

I guess this is the life cycle of this game. Arrowheads say or do embarrassingly dumb things, which we end up having to fight them on for months before they relent. I guess "hats" is the next hill to die on for absolutely no reason.

So, he's a guy with an actual creative vision on how the setting should exist, and isn't eager to ruin that for whiny and fickle players who want dumb things?

I kind of feel sorry for him, given how common this kind of attitude is. Wanting armor to have a consistent believable theme, or have a character carry a reasonable amount of ammo for a weapon shouldn't be anything contentious or odd, but we'll have players who treat it like some grievous failure of development to not basically throw away all integrity to give them whatever they want.

[Midas]

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Yes, they're not the same. One's a beret, the other's a cowboy hat. Obviously. It's still a hat on a helmet.

If you have a point here, I'm not sure what it is.

Don't worry I'll explain it just for you. Point is why they're not the same, same point as Pilested :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

If I use your argument: we could have a bare belly armor bc we already have exposed body parts armors...
- It would be dumb dude
- But it's an armor with exposed skin :joker:

This has literally nothing to do with anything I said. I don't even know how you came to this conclusion.

[Pronnu]

İlk olarak Malidictus tarafından gönderildi:

I've long suspected that Johan Pilestedt is at the core of so much that's wrong with this game. He's the guy who rejected increasing the HMG's ammo because the drum was visually not large enough. He's the one who gave the incredibly dumb "apple that tastes like bacon" comment in refutation of armour customisation. And now he's rejecting hats on helmets, despite the game already having hats on helmets, despite fiction being full of them.

So hats on helmets is stupid... but capes on plate armour isn't? "Oh, but it's the mark of a Helldiver." "Oh, but it's Super Earth propaganda." Yeah, we're wrong for wanting a "no cape" option, and also wrong for wanting a "yes hat" option. The reasoning - as with so many other bad decisions - seems to come down to whatever Pilestedt arbitrarily likes or doesn't like.

Yes, I appreciate the guy being open to criticism and willing to compromise with the playerbase, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell... He's a bottomless well of bafflingly bad takes and awful ideas. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Helldivers 2 wasn't a success because of Arrowhead's "vision". It was a success despite their best efforts to "fix" it. There's a reason some of the game's most popular updates were the ones where Arrowhead capitulated and just gave us what we were asking for.

I guess this is the life cycle of this game. Arrowheads say or do embarrassingly dumb things, which we end up having to fight them on for months before they relent. I guess "hats" is the next hill to die on for absolutely no reason.

Arrowhead has always been this way. HD2 being a runaway success while all their previous titles were niche has just exposed Pilestedt to the wider world.

[Lachdamon XD]

İlk olarak ressenmacher tarafından gönderildi:

xSOSx has already crushed the objections regarding the unmilitary look and lack of precedent regarding cowboy headwear. I just wanted to add that putting a hat on a helmet isn't even out of keeping with the Helldivers look.


Helldivers 2 already has multiple hats with helmets, including the PH-9 Predator, PH-56 Jaguar, UF-16 Inspector. Other helmets like the SC-30 Trailblazer Scout and IE-12 Righteous have hoods or cloth accessories, and still more such as the CE-27 Groundbreaker and AC-1 Dutiful are stylized to resemble hats.


As for concerns of practicality and whatnot...this is the same setting where disposable soldiers are thrown into battle with bayonetted rifles, turrets manufactured with packing peanuts and superglue, and helmets with giant wings that come off the sides. I think that ship sailed long ago

xSOSx has already missed the point to the extent of crushing it, ye. Jesse Ventura wore a hat in Predator and that's cool, ye, totally, but that's Predator 1987, not Helldivers 2. It has nothing to do with "military precedents" or fashion dude.
This is like the obsession that film directors have with the opposite: removing the helmets of medieval knights. It's dumb. Like an umbrella skin in a cave or bare belly armors regardless of whether we already have military "precedents" of bare skin in the game. Just get over it.

[Lachdamon XD]

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Don't worry I'll explain it just for you. Point is why they're not the same, same point as Pilested

If I use your argument: we could have a bare belly armor bc we already have exposed body parts armors...
- It would be dumb dude
- But it's an armor with exposed skin

This has literally nothing to do with anything I said. I don't even know how you came to this conclusion.

Now I want belly exposed armors...

[Malidictus]

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Now I want belly exposed armors... :joker:

You're arguing in bad faith.