The Reprimand should be one handed

[HK-47]

It's an smg and the gun is already lacking in reliability anyways, I don't see the harm in making it one handed.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Originally posted by Faaxen:

Ah yes, Semi-auto high fire rate vs Semi DRMs.

These are for sure the same exact type of weapons.

Give me one good reason why the Reprimand should have a piss-poor accuracy compared to higher damaging weapons?

Because its a small form factor, light weight, compact, short barreled riffle cartridge weapon.

If the above does not directly and clearly result in you understanding why and accepting it, its because you lack any fundamental understanding of fire arms.

All the other listed weapons you are comparing to are full length, full barrel, high mass, full sized weapons.

Take a cartridge meant to be used in a full sized gun, put it in a tiny gun with short barrel, you get highly inaccurate shots. One because of the barrel length, you could put them in a vice block and they would factually be more inaccurate than anything with a longer barrel. Second because the compact low mass of the weapon itself leads to less control of the weapon.

Pro-Tip - In most non-combat roles marksmen use the longest barrel possible often times with *WEIGHTS* on the barrel end that hold no value outside of making the gun heavier to stable the shot and reduce the recoil on shot. Other times, depending on the size of the round the weights can have venting in them to direct back blast.

Light gun* and short barrel with big round = piss poor accuracy. Period.

[Shy]

+1 it ♥♥♥♥♥ should.

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by Faaxen:

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/BR-14_Adjudicator

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/R-63CS_Diligence_Counter_Sniper

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/SMG-32_Reprimand

There, enjoy the numbers :)

You know, if you cannot provide useful data, you only have to admit that you are wrong. Unless you are three years old, it's the logical thing to do.

You are as aware as anyone that the wiki, while providing more data than the game interface, still does not give all relevant numbers, like accuracy spread and handling.

And what complete kills the Reprimand compared to both the Adjudicator and DCS is the spread. So there is that.

Originally posted by {sBc} Bane5:

By definition the reprimand isn't an SMG. The description says it fires high-calibre rounds. It's more like a compact assault rifle (like the AKS-74U for example).

Technically it does shoot in-universe pistol ammo, so it would be closer to a .50 AE SMG. I don't think such a weapon exists, anyway. At best, like most .50 pistols, it would be inefficient for combat.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Originally posted by Shy:

+1 it ♥♥♥♥♥ should.

Its like you people seem to lack basic understanding of firearm physics.

Contrary to allot of the silliness in game this game has quite realistic (in Video Game Terms) firearms. Like, go on youtube and watch the comparisons and detail in their weapon design and animation. They make things at least fairly realistic in terms of weapon functioning.

This is right in line with that.

Makes literally no sense to have this gun one handed unless, as prior mentioned, it resulted in your character being unable to hit *anything*.

Do you really want a 1 handed SMG with no ability to hit anything? Cuz that is what you are asking for.

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by xSOSxHawkens:

Because its a small form factor, light weight, compact, short barreled riffle cartridge weapon.

As i pointed out, it actually use pistol ammunition. The same as the Verdict gun, actually.

Originally posted by xSOSxHawkens:

Originally posted by Shy:

+1 it ♥♥♥♥♥ should.

Its like you people seem to lack basic understanding of firearm physics.

Look, i know that the game does lean on some selective realism, but the moment we start going there, 90% of the weapons in this game don't make sense. Or would you be stupid enough to design a rifle in this day and era that does not have an ambidextrous loading handle? Let alone weapon designers in the future.

This is about balance. And balance wise, the Reprimand does not offer anything good over it's competition, while having a lot of drawbacks.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Originally posted by Koala 4peace:

Originally posted by xSOSxHawkens:

Because its a small form factor, light weight, compact, short barreled riffle cartridge weapon.

As i pointed out, it actually use pistol ammunition. The same as the Verdict gun, actually.

You make this argument as if it goes in your favor while ignoring the reality that .50AE (which yes, is the cart the gun technically uses) is actually *much more powerful and uncrontolable than the 7.62x39mm round*...

So yeh, you are right, thanks for making my point *even more valid* that the round would be pratically impossible for you to control in a combat envrioment with usable accuracy...

But dont take my word for it:

Originally posted by AmmoForSale:

A real 50 AE cartridge, on the other hand, has a substantial 300 grain bullet. Its recoil is sufficient to flip the muzzle a good 30 degrees when even an experienced shooter fires it. Most experts agree that the 50 AE’s recoil is so pronounced that it has no practical application inside of tactical situations.

https://www.ammoforsale.com/ammo-club/handgun-recoil-chart/

Originally posted by ammo.com:

the 50 AE will have [free] recoil of 27 ft-lbs.

https://ammo.com/comparison/50-beowulf-vs-50-ae

Originally posted by ammo.com:

the 7.62 will have 8.5 foot-pounds of [free] recoil energy on average.

Edit to add final referance:
https://ammo.com/comparison/762x39-vs-300-blackout#:~:text=As%20the%20300%20BLK%20has,of%20recoil%20energy%20on%20average.


So, please, continue to tell me how a cartridge with 2.5x the recoil (of a riffle 7.62x39) would be any more controlled than the weaker round... I will wait.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Originally posted by Koala 4peace:

Originally posted by xSOSxHawkens:

Because its a small form factor, light weight, compact, short barreled riffle cartridge weapon.

As i pointed out, it actually use pistol ammunition. The same as the Verdict gun, actually.

Originally posted by xSOSxHawkens:

Its like you people seem to lack basic understanding of firearm physics.

Look, i know that the game does lean on some selective realism, but the moment we start going there, 90% of the weapons in this game don't make sense. Or would you be stupid enough to design a rifle in this day and era that does not have an ambidextrous loading handle? Let alone weapon designers in the future.

This is about balance. And balance wise, the Reprimand does not offer anything good over it's competition, while having a lot of drawbacks.

You have to blend both the IRL design choices of the Makers of the Game, ones who have real world warfare experience. You know the same devs who *chose* to make it a perk to drop with full ammo *because of their IRL war-fighting experience*...

With the reality of the Game World.

And the reality of the game world is thus: When did you last see a left handed Hell Diver?

My guess is that left handed ness is just not considered democratic or normal. Simply doesnt exist in the game reality.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by Faaxen:

DPS, bigger number =/= bigger DPS

Considering I can hit my shots dead center with the DCS, and have to wonder if I will actually hit with the Reprimand, the DPS on the DCS is much better.

[Daliena]

Oh boy, are we doing the "Reprimand is fine" thing again?

Such an amazing gun, for sure. "Oh if you one handed it you possibly couldn't be accurate" IT ALREADY HAS THE ACCURACY OF AN UNRIFLED MUSKET FROM THE 1700S.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ginai8/reprimand_the_least_accurate_nonshotgun_gun_in/

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by Marabu:

Originally posted by Daliena:

Oh boy, are we doing the "Reprimand is fine" thing again?

Such an amazing gun, for sure. "Oh if you one handed it you possibly couldn't be accurate" IT ALREADY HAS THE ACCURACY OF AN UNRIFLED MUSKET FROM THE 1700S.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ginai8/reprimand_the_least_accurate_nonshotgun_gun_in/

The accuracy is horrid. Paired with the small mag it's not something I would consider.

The worst problem is as per always, people defending that ♥♥♥♥. Like seriously dude, even paired with an aimbot you will do better with a different weapon due to the how inacurate it is.

[Faaxen]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Originally posted by Marabu:

The accuracy is horrid. Paired with the small mag it's not something I would consider.

The worst problem is as per always, people defending that ♥♥♥♥. Like seriously dude, even paired with an aimbot you will do better with a different weapon due to the how inacurate it is.

It's okay to not know when to use it over other things and being bad at recoil compensation, no one's gonna blame you for that.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by Faaxen:

It's okay to not know when to use it over other things and being bad at recoil compensation, no one's gonna blame you for that. :turnipheart:

Dude. I implore you to watch the dam vid on this https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ginai8/reprimand_the_least_accurate_nonshotgun_gun_in/ so you can see the inherent ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ inaccuracy of the weapon.

Until you have done, anything you say is just utter garbage.

[MeGa]

Its true its too innacurate

[Alrik]

Reprimand is fine, it kills Illuminate Overseers real quick.
Is it a good weapon to use it without support weapon? No, but that doesn't make it a bad weapon either.

Moving it from the SMGs to the Assault Rifles do the lack of the single handed perk would make sense, just to avoid player confusion.
I guess the Truth Enforcers of the Ministry of Truth are not allowed to use Assault rifles, so branding the Reprimand a "SMG" was a way to move around it.
Like the German Bundeswehr annonced the introduction of "Flightdeck Frigates" instead of Aircraft Carriers in their navy at the first of April 2024 ;-)

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by xSOSxHawkens:

My guess is that left handed ness is just not considered democratic or normal. Simply doesnt exist in the game reality.

Thing is, even for right handed people most designers seem to put the handle on the left side. For some reason in most if not all the balistic weapons on this game is on the right side, and unlike in the AK series, on the front. I know they do this precisely to force a clunky animation and thus push players to use the tactical reload, but that's the point. Realism in this game is very arbitrary, and not only for the space travel things.

Point is the Reprimand is a bad weapon. It needs something more. Whether is being one handed or not, that is anyone guess. Recoil is fine, even could do with worse if at least it shot straight.