YET ANOTHER NERF

[Kenpachi11]

Another mech added to the game that gets nerfed to make it pretty bad/ meh. Just not allowed to have any fun in a pve game. The guy who's making these terrible balance changes( by balance I mean just nerf everything) needs to be fired or removed from balance team. Time and time again he has shown he doesn't know what he's doing. But I mean if AH wants to keep losing players to these bad decisions and eventually see the game die that's their choice. Why are they so fixated on killing this games fun(in turn killing the game) for the sake of a pvp esque balance? It's a pve only game for ffs.

[Silverlight]

A GDC conference (probably) told them this was a great idea, and as game devs they clearly know more than some random chud players online.
And they actually believed it.

[Nchiri]

Idk what you mean, how can something just added be nerfed. A nerf kinda requires it to already exist

[gothicpando]

Originally posted by Nchiri:

Idk what you mean, how can something just added be nerfed. A nerf kinda requires it to already exist

because bile titans will need 25 to 30 head shots to be killed, if that isnt prenerffed i don't know what it?

[TheDeadlyShoe]

do u even know what the word 'nerf' means

e: oh no a mech thats supposed to be mediocre against bile titans is mediocre against bile titans, stop the presses. its only good against *checks notes* literally everything else bugs field.

[Nchiri]

Originally posted by gothicpando:

Originally posted by Nchiri:

Idk what you mean, how can something just added be nerfed. A nerf kinda requires it to already exist

because bile titans will need 25 to 30 head shots to be killed, if that isnt prenerffed i don't know what it?

Can't believe they prenerfed the Stalwart, not great against bile titans

[Maj. Crimes]

"Oh no its not a mech that one-shots Bile Titans. What garbage."

[Qau'lthir]

Originally posted by gothicpando:

Originally posted by Nchiri:

Idk what you mean, how can something just added be nerfed. A nerf kinda requires it to already exist

because bile titans will need 25 to 30 head shots to be killed, if that isnt prenerffed i don't know what it?

It's almost like the Mech is designed to counter medium-armoured enemies rather than heavily-armoured enemies.

Shocking, I know.

[RicardIII]

"Oh no ! My ♥♥♥♥♥♥ trash can is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ trash can."

[Pride Lizard Pride Lizard]

Originally posted by Nchiri:

Can't believe they prenerfed the Stalwart, not great against bile titans

Okay, not gonna lie, that made me chuckle.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by reaperofwar89:

Another mech added to the game that gets nerfed to make it pretty bad/ meh.

There hasn't been any nerf to the mech. A bunch of cheaters cheating to get access to an unreleased product doesn't mean the Mech got nerfed because it doesn't behave the way cheaters said it should. Edit: And thats even assuming you believe them when they say they didn't use any other cheats./edit

The current state of the mech is its original state, regardless how many iterations it went through during its development.

[Sanglaine]

Originally posted by Silverlight:

A GDC conference (probably) told them this was a great idea, and as game devs they clearly know more than some random chud players online.
And they actually believed it.

Ehn, GDC does suck, but I doubt anyone is taking advice from it. Anyone important I mean. I do blame GDC and some youtubers who just go 'you should make video games, here's how' and so you just get a ton of people who don't know what they're doing making garbage. In the case of the HD2 devs it's a lot more likely they'd actually show up on GDC rather than be inspired by it.

[mr. Frieren]

The community is divided: into those who point out the shortcomings with a call to stop destroying the game so that people do not leave it, and those who write toxic comments of “skill issue” regardless of the real skills of the player.
Wake up! The community is falling apart!

[Quadsword]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Originally posted by reaperofwar89:

Another mech added to the game that gets nerfed to make it pretty bad/ meh.

There hasn't been any nerf to the mech. A bunch of cheaters cheating to get access to an unreleased product doesn't mean the Mech got nerfed because it doesn't behave the way cheaters said it should.

The current state of the mech is its original state, regardless how many iterations it went through during its development.

If this is genuinely what they intended the new mech to be, then there's something seriously wrong at Arrowhead. It's completely useless.

[10000 Angry Bees]

Originally posted by reaperofwar89:

Another mech added to the game that gets nerfed to make it pretty bad/ meh. Just not allowed to have any fun in a pve game. The guy who's making these terrible balance changes( by balance I mean just nerf everything) needs to be fired or removed from balance team. Time and time again he has shown he doesn't know what he's doing. But I mean if AH wants to keep losing players to these bad decisions and eventually see the game die that's their choice. Why are they so fixated on killing this games fun(in turn killing the game) for the sake of a pvp esque balance? It's a pve only game for ffs.

It's the difference between building an F1 race car vs driving one.
Sure, the builders know how much gas needs to injected and when tires need to be rotated, etc; but the driver actually knows the machine intimately. Knows what improvements it needs and where the builders should be focusing their attention to make imporvements.

In our case, since day 1 the builders have been too busy telling the drivers that they know better because they built it. Once they collectively decided to remove each others heads from each others posteriors then perhaps AH will finally stop ruining their own game.

Originally posted by mr. Frieren:

those who write toxic comments of “skill issue” regardless of the real skills of the player.
Wake up! The community is falling apart!

and then there's people like mr.Frieren is talking about. They're elitist gatekeepers. They don't care about the state of the game, they're just looking to boost their egos by implying that they're better than everyone else. They fundamentally lack the intellectual capacity to grasp the point that it's not about whether or not they can make it work but whether or not the state of the game is actually healthy.
I've seen it happen repeatedly, these hard-left-of-the-IQ-Bell-Curve types always preside over the death of games. The whole time that players warn the studio that they're going the wrong way, the studios always choose to listen to the people telling them comforting lies about how they're actually doing a very good job and how everyone else just has a skill issue.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Quadsword:

If this is genuinely what they intended the new mech to be, then there's something seriously wrong at Arrowhead. It's completely useless.

If Pilestedt is to be believed they are in the process of analysing the overalls game balance and if globally TTK isn't to low.

At the same time the Nordic Presentation of Pilestedt made it clear they have a very specific vision that is not meant to be for everyone. It also seemed like Pilested expected player numbers to be more like they are now or less. So we can conclude that it might as well be that Arrowhead finishes their analysis and says: All systems working as intended.

The thing wrong then isn't at AH but with player expectations of the game. Pilestedts talk iterated that Helldivers is not for everyone and everyone showing up was unexpected.

Originally posted by Not a Serial Killer:

In our case, since day 1 the builders have been too busy telling the drivers that they know better because they built it. Once they collectively decided to remove each others heads from each others posteriors then perhaps AH will finally stop ruining their own game.

Based on Pilestedts talk, that's not changing. He considers sticking to their guns a crucial part of their success.