Cirrus was sacrificed?

[L O]

Help me make sense of this.

There are several threads going about the Major orders and peoples lack of involvement and how a large part of the player base is apparently playing the game wrong, but when it comes down to it, it all means SFA when even the message from Super Earth after the completion is not accurate or is it and I’ve read something wrong somewhere.

The message states that Cirrus was sacrificed in order to save Angels Venture but both are shown as being liberated albeit showing a negative on the HD.2 CA, and the enemy is at a low resistance level.via the in game map on Cirrus and average on Heath the original staging area for the whole attack.

If Cirrus was truly sacrificed would it not be in the hands of the bugs and them now using it as a staging post for further attacks against the surrounding planets.

I might be way off in my understanding here but when this makes no sense in terms of what is showing and what is being said, why would anyone care about the story or try to make a difference.

Edit: Ok after reading and looking and making sense of the map I see my mistake. Never really noticed the marker under the planets.....

[The Blind One]

But Cirrus IS in the hands of the bugs ... it's hovering at about 40% liberation.

It does only have 1% resistance so it should be relatively easy to take but it seems everyone is out doing their daily and killing a thousand voteless on a clamari invasion planet.

[Shadowbrodie]

what? cirrus isn't liberated, so yes it was sacrificed.

[Vitus MM]

even with clear instructions from the devs on how to liberate heeth and in teh process stop both invasions, the divers went for angels venture. the gambit of doing that was not used so we lost 2 planets actually to the bugs. heeth and cirrus. going for angels venture was the safer bet i guess to meet the MO´s victory condition.

[L O]

Originally posted by Shadowbrodie:

what? cirrus isn't liberated, so yes it was sacrificed.

Ahh yes I see my mistake, its xyz% liberated not actually liberated being dyslexic I tend to read what I see, , but even so sacrificed would imply its been lost, is going to be lost. But as of now it still has over 3 thousand HD’s on it.

[L O]

Originally posted by The Blind One:

But Cirrus IS in the hands of the bugs ... it's hovering at about 40% liberation.

It does only have 1% resistance so it should be relatively easy to take but it seems everyone is out doing their daily and killing a thousand voteless on a clamari invasion planet.

Ok that makes more sense to me now. But as its going does this mean we lose this and Heeth.

[The Blind One]

Originally posted by L O:

Originally posted by The Blind One:

But Cirrus IS in the hands of the bugs ... it's hovering at about 40% liberation.

It does only have 1% resistance so it should be relatively easy to take but it seems everyone is out doing their daily and killing a thousand voteless on a clamari invasion planet.

Ok that makes more sense to me now. But as its going does this mean we lose this and Heeth.

Cirrus and Heeth are already lost.

Players don't care about liberating planets unless it is part of an (Major or Minor) order somehow or they have literally nothing else to do because there is no other Major Order going on (like right now).

However right now everyone abandoned the liberation of Heeth and Cirrus because the daily order is to kill 500 illuminates. So everyone that 'could' have helped liberate these planets is off doing something else on the calamari front.

If they assign a bot related MO tomorrow, you can bet your ass off that Heeth and Cirrus will have dropped to absolute zero liberation 😂

This is why the galactic war is illusory. The GM can guide where players will be with incentives and thereby direct the flow of the galactic war.

If the GM wants Heeth and Cirrus to be saved all they got to do is order a kill 500 terminid personal order and everyone will flock to the bug side and try to liberate Cirrus and Heeth. Give a kill 500 bots order tomorrow and everyone will flock to the bot side abandoning the bug front.

If the GM wants us to fail a mission he'll simply give us a conflicting Major and Minor Order. Something like liberate planet Martale (Bot side) but kill 500 terminids (bug side) 🤣

Then everyone starts complaining about this being a 'bug moment' because all the bug (and non bot exclusive) players prefer to go for the quick 15 medals rather than the 50 medals that can be gained over a week EVEN if you don't participate at ALL. So there is no incentive to help to complete the Major Order. You get rewarded the Major Order completion bonus whether you participated or not, so there is actually very little incentive to do them over the personal order.

[Spirit]

cirrus is in its current state because the playerbase ignored the heeth defense gambit
they cannot read the map

[The Blind One]

Originally posted by Spirit:

cirrus is in its current state because the playerbase ignored the heeth defense gambit
they cannot read the map

Again this is not the fault of the player base.

Nobody reads the Dispatches, that's not the players fault, the devs know they don't properly read dispatches, so why do you expect them to read dispatches if you already know they don't? That's just setting off with the wrong expectations.

I don't understand why we fail to understand this basic behavioral premise with humans but it's completely understandable when we deal with animals.

You don't expect animals to magically do a certain behavior unless they are properly trained to do so. Why do we expect humans to suddenly be trained when they are not informed or even aware of what they are asked to do?

It makes no effing sense.

Players need to be directly informed of the situation. Not some weird off dispatch in the corner that nobody reads and 9 out of 10 times even forgets it exists.

[GustavoM]

Originally posted by Spirit:

they cannot read the map

Nah, they just don't care/bother because they know the galatic war is a placebo at best.

[Foxador]

I can read the dispatch but unless everyone zergs the gambit planet there isn't a point to go there

Heeth also has 2% Regen which is fairly high. I don't care if the game says it's average when it's realistically high and would take 80+% of the player base to overcome

Since those numbers weren't happening it was better to take the sure things