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Galahad 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 12:37
Today's patch - Stalwart buff
They said it's one of the guns that's got the most love this patch.
Some people saying it's gonna be a primary. I dunno bout that I like having explosive primaries and using stalwart as a support. I see that as build diversity. Stalwart is way stronger than any assault rifle in the game.
I personally think they're gonna give it medium armour penetration.
If any buff was given to it at all, I would LIKE a rate of fire increase. Yes. More. lol.

What do you think?
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Pronnu 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 2:30 
引用自 St0rmFury
引用自 Verga.Tron
M-105 LMG Stalwart
Ergonomics increased from 25 to 40

Not the buffest of buffs, but i will take it.
also, didnt become a primary, luckily
Ergonomics refer to how fast you can aim the gun, right?
Yes. They've essentially given everyone a free Peak Physical buff to the Stalwart.
[IDN/IDR] Átlās 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 2:30 
what does "ergonomics" in this game means ?, i have seen it a lot in that patch notes.
Murdour 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 2:37 
引用自 Pinguin
what does "ergonomics" in this game means ?, i have seen it a lot in that patch notes.

Means it doesn't feel like your dragging a cow across your screen when you aim at things. The BR-14 Adjudicator is a perfect example of a weapon with awful awful ergonomics, Hence why you don't see people selecting it often.
Verga.Tron 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 2:39 
引用自 Pinguin
what does "ergonomics" in this game means ?, i have seen it a lot in that patch notes.

Its how fast your helldiver moves the gun around, so the higher, they better you can aim and change targets. autocannon has low ergonomics, small side weapons have a lot
Midas 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 2:42 
引用自 Verga.Tron
引用自 Pinguin
what does "ergonomics" in this game means ?, i have seen it a lot in that patch notes.

Its how fast your helldiver moves the gun around, so the higher, they better you can aim and change targets. autocannon has low ergonomics, small side weapons have a lot

In theory it will help with the recoil, because it's the time it takes for the weapon to catch up to where you're aiming it, so it won't change how much it kicks, but it should change how quickly you recover.
Foxador 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 2:47 
I don't really see how this is going to change the weapon in any meaningful way. It already was easy to use and fire... Having it move slightly faster isn't going to change much
TravoltinoSK 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 3:08 
Its a buff for sure, but a pointless one.
Stalwart wasnt bad cuz of ergonomics but because it took a VERY PRECIOUS stratagem slot.
And offered nothing - no medium pen means its worthless.
Yes it can kill small ♥♥♥♥ fast, but so do primaries

Stalwart to be good needed medium pen 3, MG43 needs pen 4, and HMG needs its Durability dmg back and some buff on top.
Power creep or not, without these, machineguns will NEVER be a real choice compared to AC, Railgun, Arc, Rockets, etc
最后由 TravoltinoSK 编辑于; 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 3:09
Funky Koval 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 3:23 
Stalwart was roumored to work in conjunction with guard dog bacpack. Instead we got meaningless ergonomy buff. But ♥♥♥♥ that rest of patch buffs is really nice though
Chaos 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 3:28 
Seem like AH still didn't want to do the right thing with it eh?

What a pointless "Support" gun it was.
Better just gutted it's stats abit then put it back where it belong, in a primary slot.
EvilZombie (已封禁) 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 3:41 
引用自 Pinguin
what does "ergonomics" in this game means ?, i have seen it a lot in that patch notes.
basically you get FREE " peak physique " so if you wear the armor peak physique you get alot better
Koala 4peace 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 3:45 
引用自 TravoltinoSK
Its a buff for sure, but a pointless one.
Stalwart wasnt bad cuz of ergonomics but because it took a VERY PRECIOUS stratagem slot.
And offered nothing - no medium pen means its worthless.
Yes it can kill small ♥♥♥♥ fast, but so do primaries

Stalwart to be good needed medium pen 3, MG43 needs pen 4, and HMG needs its Durability dmg back and some buff on top.
Power creep or not, without these, machineguns will NEVER be a real choice compared to AC, Railgun, Arc, Rockets, etc
As a primary, unless you nerf it a lot, it simply make anything but the crossbow irrelevant. And maybe laser weapons in cold planets, but that's it. And HMG is an alternative to the AC because it does not fill the backpack slot. Remember, "i don't like it/don't know how to use it" =/= "it's bad".
Tarkus 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 3:48 
引用自 TravoltinoSK
Power creep or not, without these, machineguns will NEVER be a real choice compared to AC, Railgun, Arc, Rockets, etc
I dunno about that. I'm running the MG43 pretty regularly on diff 8 and up with great success, HMG only against bots for me.

That being said I don't think giving MG43 Pen 4 and Stalwart Pen 3 is a good solution. MG43 getting Pen 4 would make the HMG obsolete imo since I'd rather have the extra ammo and higher RoF instead of durability damage and the Stalwart would just fill the MG43s role infinitely better if it had the same pen.

But I also don't know how the Stalwart could be fixed. Too good to be a primary while being a pretty meh support weapon.
☢DUKE NUKEM☢ 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 11:07 
引用自 Hero Unit
引用自 Midnight Prince
Some people saying it's gonna be a primary. I dunno bout that I like having explosive primaries and using stalwart as a support. I see that as build diversity.

Crossbow + Stalwart is one of my favorite Terminid loadouts so if they make Stalwart a primary I'll be disappointed.

I have been advocating for 2 Stalwars for awhile. A standard one with not attatchments and 100 round mags, and a "Super Stalwart" Strategem that gets more ammo and attatchments.
XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 11:16 
引用自 TravoltinoSK
Its a buff for sure, but a pointless one.
Stalwart wasnt bad cuz of ergonomics but because it took a VERY PRECIOUS stratagem slot.
And offered nothing - no medium pen means its worthless.
Yes it can kill small ♥♥♥♥ fast, but so do primaries

Stalwart to be good needed medium pen 3, MG43 needs pen 4, and HMG needs its Durability dmg back and some buff on top.
Power creep or not, without these, machineguns will NEVER be a real choice compared to AC, Railgun, Arc, Rockets, etc
A precious slot? Huh?
Hero Unit 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 11:18 
引用自 TravoltinoSK
Its a buff for sure, but a pointless one.
Stalwart wasnt bad cuz of ergonomics but because it took a VERY PRECIOUS stratagem slot.
And offered nothing - no medium pen means its worthless.
Yes it can kill small ♥♥♥♥ fast, but so do primaries

Stalwart to be good needed medium pen 3, MG43 needs pen 4, and HMG needs its Durability dmg back and some buff on top.
Power creep or not, without these, machineguns will NEVER be a real choice compared to AC, Railgun, Arc, Rockets, etc
A precious slot? Huh?

He's referring to the opportunity cost of taking the Stalwart. Meaning if you take it, one Stratagem slot (precious as you only get 4 and this also takes up your support weapon slot making it even more important) is taken up by Stalwart and you can't put something else in its place.

With that said, I think the Stalwart is good (vs bugs) and worthless (vs bots). To fix the Stalwart vs Bots would require changes to the quantity of Devastators spawned and nerfs AP3 armor all around Rocket Striders.
最后由 Hero Unit 编辑于; 2024 年 10 月 15 日 上午 11:19
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