I want to love the bayonet

[Galahad]

But then the game spawns bile spewers.

They're a reminder of how much of this game is mechanically and fundamentally anti-melee in terms of both design and balance. In terms of this bayonet, at least, as it has no meaningful stagger, and quite low damage.

The stamina system. The stagger system. The way half the enemies are designed. The lack of iframes in anything. The unreliable, unpredictable ragdoll physics and broken hitboxes.

The unpredictable, glitchy behaviour and animations of enemies. The fact this is always online adds lag and desyncing to all of these problems.

The time it actually takes to cross the field to initiate melee combat.

The extra build preparation REQUIRED to even entertain the playstyle within this game.

The finnicky damage models and armour system, deflection / ricochet system, all of which exacerbate the problems with hitboxes mentioned above, and not designed with melee in mind at all.

Additionally, they just recently increased the damage we all take by like 40%? 15% extra limb/torso damage, and 25% extra bug damage? That's an enormous pre-nerf to melee as a playstyle.


What I would change:

Bring out a shovel. Same arc, and knockback distance as the normal weapon melee attack, but it has enough stagger to keep whatever it is in front of you stunned below chargers.

Buff the bayonet damage to 2x what it currently is.

I want it to just one pop medium enemies in the head, if I'm taking all this effort / build focusing just to get into melee range. All this risk, with how this game's designed. It's earned the ability to one stab things surely. Like, it can't stagger. Let the skill part of it be in whether or not you can aim and time the attacks on everything correctly, like other primary weapons. The increasingly complex minigame involved with meleeing on this just takes too long compared to shooting stuff.

Maybe I just need to get a team of people who also want to love this to play with me xD playing with randoms or by myself is strenuous. Seriously, it's like no one got the memo that there is a melee weapon in this game now. Yes I am stabbing the hunters stop using your explosive crossbow LOL!

[Wutever]

Just don't play ICBM missions. Simple as.

[TwinelyWix]

democracy something something xd skill issue something something 100% wholesome moment please buy super credits

[Galahad]

Originally posted by Wutever:

Just don't play ICBM missions. Simple as.

Why is that sir?

[Galahad]

Originally posted by TwinelyWix:

democracy something something xd skill issue something something 100% wholesome moment please buy super credits

lol

[Wutever]

Originally posted by Midnight Prince:

Originally posted by Wutever:

Just don't play ICBM missions. Simple as.

Why is that sir?

Because ICBM missions are most likely to have Bile Spewers.

[michaelthered]

That rifle is a clear and present troll by the devs. Can't say im not laughing. It's a true pos and only something a sweatdiver would consider using more than once.

[The Sack Sniffer]

So you're telling me, a knife is less effective that giant alien bugs that spew acid??

[Kyrth]

it's for the flying bugs & sword bots that jump you when you're trying to reload.

the Constitution is a good defensive tool, don't try to rely on it to break a horde or down a hulk.

you have stratagems for that.

[Galahad]

Originally posted by Kyrth:

it's for the flying bugs & sword bots that jump you when you're trying to reload.

the Constitution is a good defensive tool, don't try to rely on it to break a horde or down a hulk.

you have stratagems for that.

It can break a horde of light armoured things ive done it in multiple games. stun nades. manipulating the crowd. Could let the guy do that and save the stratagem cooldown or ammo but nobody ever does

[Galahad]

Originally posted by Kyrth:

it's for the flying bugs & sword bots that jump you when you're trying to reload.

the Constitution is a good defensive tool, don't try to rely on it to break a horde or down a hulk.

you have stratagems for that.

wait, flying bugs? You mean shriekers? I killed a few with a bayonet for fun in a game but i mostly just shoot those mate theyre flying

[Galahad]

Originally posted by The Penis Man:

So you're telling me, a knife is less effective that giant alien bugs that spew acid??

i am saying that the way they demand you to play is anti-melee. The design of the enemy has you die if you stand still near them. so you need to stun enemies like this every time if you're gonna take them out with melee. going through multiple stun nades to kill bile spewers when you can just blow them up in two shots from an explodey crossbow, sigh.

I know you can just shoot them lmao. im stress testing melee as a gameplay playstyle and it's not looking good, if they ever add a proper support melee weapon in the game in the future and intend for us all to meleediving, somethings gotta give. Like it needs to let us stagger things like that, kill them before they can spit ( like one stab in the brain = dead ), or something like that.

The feeling you get when you drop in with a weapon that is kinda ineffective against the enemies that randomly spawn, will be 10000x worse when you drop in with your support melee weapon and see bile spewers. It just doesn't feel like the game's very friendly to melee as a playstyle in general. Like youre taking so much time just to get close. THEN need to take extra time when you're close? the kill needs to be secure and fast at this point otherwise it cant hold a candle next to literally any gun in the game.

[Galahad]

I just feel disappointed that something i wanted to be a big addition to the game is just a meme. Something im gonna get looked down upon by other players for doing in the game. Like when i got the bayonet in my hand, I wanna stab all them bugs, but the games like nah just use stratagems still for mostly everything. There ya go, now you can stab that one bug that got through the fire. So the bayonet just sits on my back attached to this ♥♥♥♥ gun for 90% of the game while im using other stuff to actually kill things? Why even add it?