The actual issue with the Constitution.

[Dokutah]

I think the one secret problem that Helldivers 2 has is that adding meme primary weapons can be a bad thing in the long run.

Because it promotes griefing, but not intentionally in a lot of cases.


What I mean is that that while primaries aren't the be all and end all. The viability and effectiveness is paramount for a lot of players that do play this game seriously.


And yes I'm looking at you people that say they're having fun using crap weapons and doing well and all that.

You're not %90 of the player base.

The problem with adding a meme weapon like the Constitution as a primary is that you obviously cannot switch it out while you're playing a mission. Which mean it affects the overall performance of the person during that mission which then affects the team as a whole.

When a person brings the Constitution with them to at least difficulty 7 and higher, they're adding more pressure to their team to pick up that players weight now because the Constitution is a bad weapon.

Not only that, but they're more likely to die more often which is now draining your reinforcement budget which is now putting even more pressure on you and the team.

This overall can cause a sentiment to auto kick players that use the Constitution because they be considered a liability for everyone and drag the mission down which may cause an increase in toxicity.

I've already seen post of people going to automatically kick people who pick the Dead Sprint booster from the new warbond.



And that's not taking into account actual griefers that can just pick this weapon and mess around during a mission while more bots or bugs are spawning due to the extra player you have running around with this terrible weapon.

Now if you want to mess around in a private lobby with friends or by yourself and beat Super Helldive 10 than that's fine.

But for a majority of the players in random playing Super Helldive, this can become an annoying issue.


Most bad weapons that we do have at least can deal with hordes of light enemies, but the Constitution isn't built with hordes in mind and it's not entirely great at killing a group of elites either.

That's just my view on things though.

What are yours?

[xtxownage]

Honestly, I'll give you props for being the first other person to identify the firerate being the major downside of the weapon and not the damage.

To which I say, it depends. I've seen this talk about the slack before and honestly I don't think it matters. The player in question still has 4 stratagems, a secondary and most likely a support weapon of some kind; which do a majority of the damage in a good team believe it or not.

We use to do four man squads of nothing but constitution in HD1 on the max difficulty, and I tell you, it was funny. But also we were bailed out more often than not by our offensive stratagems. Same applies here.

The rifle was never gonna stop a hulk/bile titan/strider/charger/tank anyway. That's why you have a rocket launcher and the 380mm cannon, right?

[Hox]

imagine writing a whole article about how you're bad at the game. Try having fun. Not even worth giving a jester.

[Onimaho]

Originally posted by Hox:

imagine writing a whole article about how you're bad at the game. Try having fun. Not even worth giving a jester.

100%

[Ziggylata]

"this is griefing" lmao

[General High Ping]

Players will play however they want.
I wish you well on your quest to have everyone and everything do what YOU want...

[JimmyD]

You make decent points but I disagree with "You're not %90 of the player base" as you're assuming that the meme weapon was supposed to cater to the player base.

It's supposed to be a joke that you can take with you to make heads go boom. It was never supposed to be a viable primary. 90% of the player base isn't going to remember the rifle exists in a month, especially after the next warbond drops.

It's not here to appease the player base, it's here to be a punchline to a joke and a nod to HD1.

I agree with your points about unintended griefing though. If you're dropping into a D10 with the Constitution and costing the team a win, that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[LoveTruffle]

Every time I've seen some with a Constitution in game it has been such a goofy looking LARP. I'm sure some people do fine with it, but so far all I've seen is people that have needed to be carried while they call out targets and plink a few shots off before being saved by their team.

[pandemoniumdoom]

people like you make me want to use the constitution now.

[VIRUSOID]

Imagine stressing out and writing walls of text because of a joke gun
It's like I'm on Twitter now

[Kyrth]

But it's good.

1: It has SMG tier handling, so you can snap from target to target at close quarters.
Other DMRs are slow and floaty, making them only viable at long range.

2: 99 shots, which is more than the Diligence, + rounds reload so you never waste any in a discarded clip.

3: Improved Melee will kill most light bugs in 1 swing, and stun to secure the second swing's killing blow if not.

I use this with a Guard Dog & Commando against bugs, and Shield Generator & Commando against bots. It has been an excellent primary when used alongside the revolver, and i prefer it over my other primaries.

[Dokutah]

Originally posted by Kyrth:

But it's good.

1: It has SMG tier handling, so you can snap from target to target at close quarters.
Other DMRs are slow and floaty, making them only viable at long range.

2: 99 shots, which is more than the Diligence, + rounds reload so you never waste any in a discarded clip.

3: Improved Melee will kill most light bugs in 1 swing, and stun to secure the second swing's killing blow if not.

I use this with a Guard Dog & Commando against bugs, and Shield Generator & Commando against bots. It has been an excellent primary when used alongside the revolver, and i prefer it over my other primaries.

Only 5 rounds in the clip.

Doesn't have a scope.

Has terrible iron sights.

You have to rack in a new bullet after each shot.

Sometimes doesn't kill a hunter in one shot.

Sometimes doesn't kill a hunter in one melee.

Terrible against elites to which it should excel at.

No stripper clip for a complete empty reload.

[Dakota]

That's kinda the struggle with bad weapons, a lot of the time too you'll have players not know they're bad and generally they're not that knowledgeable in general so they do worse on average and have worse tools so it's doubly bad.

At least you can pick other primaries off of other players if they die, which is likely in the case where there's a struggle. That said, currently a lot of weapons have this issue, the constitution is at least very obvious with it. Using any of the assault rifles, or the laser cannon, or the airburst, rocket launcher all sorta run into this same issue where a player just cannot do as much as others, like objectively they don't have the output to do so if you had two players doing just as good as each other.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Kyrth:

But it's good.

1: It has SMG tier handling, so you can snap from target to target at close quarters.
Other DMRs are slow and floaty, making them only viable at long range.

2: 99 shots, which is more than the Diligence, + rounds reload so you never waste any in a discarded clip.

3: Improved Melee will kill most light bugs in 1 swing, and stun to secure the second swing's killing blow if not.

I use this with a Guard Dog & Commando against bugs, and Shield Generator & Commando against bots. It has been an excellent primary when used alongside the revolver, and i prefer it over my other primaries.

Diligence has 180 rounds, Diligence CS has 105.

[BEASTLYxxNORRIS]

Originally posted by General High Ping:

Players will play however they want.
I wish you well on your quest to have everyone and everything do what YOU want...

Well, hopefully you don't run into players like me who will kick anyone trying to use that useless weapon.

[Crunchy[Daz]]

Its not a bad thing. What happened is the same thing that always happen, people overreact over nothing and try to create huge issues where there are none.

It was a token weapon given out as a cheeky gift for a made up holiday in a video game. Thats it. Thats all it is. Thats all it ever will be. Just accept it and move on.

This isn't some huge issue that needs to be debated for months. Its over. You got the gift, its done.

Thats literally all there is to it. Anything beyond that is just stuff you guys are inventing in your heads.