"The new weapon is supposed to be bad!!!"

[Hero Unit]

Nope it's a video game, it's supposed to be fun. Fun for a bolt action rifle in a horde shooter means it needs to hit hard. Needs minimum 2x the damage of the DCS. Maybe 2.5x.

It was good in the first game too so all the "it's supposed to be bad!!!" posters are new.

[Onimaho]

Weapons fun and it is good.

[Gibbe]

No it really is supposed to be weaker than other options, you can strawman all you want but a WW1 replica bolt action shouldn't logically be competing with sci-fi weapons. You want a bolt action with massive damage and the ability to clear out enemies in a horde shooter? Try the eruptor, it may look a little goofy but its probably what you are looking for. On the topic of the first game, its still perfectly usable in helldivers 2, if you think it is completely worthless than perhaps that falls on you rather than the weapon.

[Greb]

Yeah I think the damage could possibly do with a buff considering it's bolt action, I didn't realise it was before. That rate of fire really doesn't let it take advantage of its really good recoil stat, I imagine.

I guess they didn't want to throw in some freebie that was better than what Warbonds offer or something?

[Operator]

Originally posted by roger.exe:

No it really is supposed to be weaker than other options, you can strawman all you want but a WW1 replica bolt action shouldn't logically be competing with sci-fi weapons. You want a bolt action with massive damage and the ability to clear out enemies in a horde shooter? Try the eruptor, it may look a little goofy but its probably what you are looking for. On the topic of the first game, its still perfectly usable in helldivers 2, if you think it is completely worthless than perhaps that falls on you rather than the weapon.

try again buddy, a bullet doesn't magically do less damage because it's coming out of a different gun.
we can argue barrel length until the cows come home
but a 308 is going to hurt the same if it comes out of a machine gun or a bolt actions end of story.
Look you are sincere I get it. but you are sincerely wrong.

But in the end this is a video game, we want to have fun while playing a video game. there is nothing fun about having a meme tier gun that you use once and throw away after.

and dude you never played HD1 apparently because in that game, we had weapon upgrades and with those, the constitution was actually a viable and fun weapon to use.

So take your sweatdiver post and stop actively trying to make the game worse. devs listened to your kind early on and it nearly killed the game, time to step aside and let fun over take sweat.

[joeredner]

Originally posted by roger.exe:

No it really is supposed to be weaker than other options, you can strawman all you want but a WW1 replica bolt action shouldn't logically be competing with sci-fi weapons. You want a bolt action with massive damage and the ability to clear out enemies in a horde shooter? Try the eruptor, it may look a little goofy but its probably what you are looking for. On the topic of the first game, its still perfectly usable in helldivers 2, if you think it is completely worthless than perhaps that falls on you rather than the weapon.

Is the Diligence Counter Sniper (the only weapon he compares it to) really a SciFi weapon?

[Aestrea]

You just suck with the bolt action rifles and all the stalkers agree.

[Gibbe]

Originally posted by Operator:

Originally posted by roger.exe:

No it really is supposed to be weaker than other options, you can strawman all you want but a WW1 replica bolt action shouldn't logically be competing with sci-fi weapons. You want a bolt action with massive damage and the ability to clear out enemies in a horde shooter? Try the eruptor, it may look a little goofy but its probably what you are looking for. On the topic of the first game, its still perfectly usable in helldivers 2, if you think it is completely worthless than perhaps that falls on you rather than the weapon.

try again buddy, a bullet doesn't magically do less damage because it's coming out of a different gun.
we can argue barrel length until the cows come home
but a 308 is going to hurt the same if it comes out of a machine gun or a bolt actions end of story.
Look you are sincere I get it. but you are sincerely wrong.

But in the end this is a video game, we want to have fun while playing a video game. there is nothing fun about having a meme tier gun that you use once and throw away after.

and dude you never played HD1 apparently because in that game, we had weapon upgrades and with those, the constitution was actually a viable and fun weapon to use.

So take your sweatdiver post and stop actively trying to make the game worse. devs listened to your kind early on and it nearly killed the game, time to step aside and let fun over take sweat.

I will not try again the diligence does slightly less damage than the constitution, and the CS variant does slightly more. A gun's barrel and specific ammunition will effect its "damage" properties. The constitution does a reasonable amount of damage compared to similar rifles.

[Gibbe]

Originally posted by Operator:

Originally posted by roger.exe:

No it really is supposed to be weaker than other options, you can strawman all you want but a WW1 replica bolt action shouldn't logically be competing with sci-fi weapons. You want a bolt action with massive damage and the ability to clear out enemies in a horde shooter? Try the eruptor, it may look a little goofy but its probably what you are looking for. On the topic of the first game, its still perfectly usable in helldivers 2, if you think it is completely worthless than perhaps that falls on you rather than the weapon.

try again buddy, a bullet doesn't magically do less damage because it's coming out of a different gun.
we can argue barrel length until the cows come home
but a 308 is going to hurt the same if it comes out of a machine gun or a bolt actions end of story.
Look you are sincere I get it. but you are sincerely wrong.

But in the end this is a video game, we want to have fun while playing a video game. there is nothing fun about having a meme tier gun that you use once and throw away after.

and dude you never played HD1 apparently because in that game, we had weapon upgrades and with those, the constitution was actually a viable and fun weapon to use.

So take your sweatdiver post and stop actively trying to make the game worse. devs listened to your kind early on and it nearly killed the game, time to step aside and let fun over take sweat.

I have not played the first game but i will say that i am not in the "sweatdiver" camp. I hated the earlier nerfs but this weapon is clearly designed to provide a challenge, let the people who want that keep it. I am having fun with the constitution as it is and i don't want it to do double the damage of a rifle designed hundreds of years later shooting a similar bullet just because its an old ass bolt action.

[Operator]

Originally posted by roger.exe:

Originally posted by Operator:

try again buddy, a bullet doesn't magically do less damage because it's coming out of a different gun.
we can argue barrel length until the cows come home
but a 308 is going to hurt the same if it comes out of a machine gun or a bolt actions end of story.
Look you are sincere I get it. but you are sincerely wrong.

But in the end this is a video game, we want to have fun while playing a video game. there is nothing fun about having a meme tier gun that you use once and throw away after.

and dude you never played HD1 apparently because in that game, we had weapon upgrades and with those, the constitution was actually a viable and fun weapon to use.

So take your sweatdiver post and stop actively trying to make the game worse. devs listened to your kind early on and it nearly killed the game, time to step aside and let fun over take sweat.

I will not try again the diligence does slightly less damage than the constitution, and the CS variant does slightly more. A gun's barrel and specific ammunition will effect its "damage" properties. The constitution does a reasonable amount of damage compared to similar rifles.

I never said anything about changing ammunition, so you added that part to what I said. I said barrel length because you get a bit more push going to that bullet before it leaves the barrel..
See again you are just flat wrong, would you like round 2?

But again, as i said this is a game, we want to have fun in a game, nothing is fun about a meme tier gun that is not viable on anything but medium, maybe challenging if you are a sweatdiver.

it's a fun gun, people obviously want to use it more.

Oh double post. gotcha. Okay so what is it? is the gun for a challenge? or is it a meme? man people just can't seem to keep it straight.

[Gibbe]

Originally posted by joeredner:

Originally posted by roger.exe:

No it really is supposed to be weaker than other options, you can strawman all you want but a WW1 replica bolt action shouldn't logically be competing with sci-fi weapons. You want a bolt action with massive damage and the ability to clear out enemies in a horde shooter? Try the eruptor, it may look a little goofy but its probably what you are looking for. On the topic of the first game, its still perfectly usable in helldivers 2, if you think it is completely worthless than perhaps that falls on you rather than the weapon.

Is the Diligence Counter Sniper (the only weapon he compares it to) really a SciFi weapon?

Honestly not really but it is technologically at least 60 years more advanced being a semi-automatic rifle with a nice optic and a modular attachment system.

[Gibbe]

Originally posted by Operator:

Originally posted by roger.exe:

I will not try again the diligence does slightly less damage than the constitution, and the CS variant does slightly more. A gun's barrel and specific ammunition will effect its "damage" properties. The constitution does a reasonable amount of damage compared to similar rifles.

I never said anything about changing ammunition, so you added that part to what I said. I said barrel length because you get a bit more push going to that bullet before it leaves the barrel..
See again you are just flat wrong, would you like round 2?

But again, as i said this is a game, we want to have fun in a game, nothing is fun about a meme tier gun that is not viable on anything but medium, maybe challenging if you are a sweatdiver.

it's a fun gun, people obviously want to use it more.

Don't assume that you speak for all people, i like the idea of a super outdated meme rifle. Also i wasn't referring to you talking about ammo types i was trying to say that the DCS probably shoots a different (albeit similar) bullet than the constitution.

[EvilZombie]

Originally posted by Operator:

Originally posted by roger.exe:

No it really is supposed to be weaker than other options, you can strawman all you want but a WW1 replica bolt action shouldn't logically be competing with sci-fi weapons. You want a bolt action with massive damage and the ability to clear out enemies in a horde shooter? Try the eruptor, it may look a little goofy but its probably what you are looking for. On the topic of the first game, its still perfectly usable in helldivers 2, if you think it is completely worthless than perhaps that falls on you rather than the weapon.

try again buddy, a bullet doesn't magically do less damage because it's coming out of a different gun.
we can argue barrel length until the cows come home
but a 308 is going to hurt the same if it comes out of a machine gun or a bolt actions end of story.
Look you are sincere I get it. but you are sincerely wrong.

But in the end this is a video game, we want to have fun while playing a video game. there is nothing fun about having a meme tier gun that you use once and throw away after.

and dude you never played HD1 apparently because in that game, we had weapon upgrades and with those, the constitution was actually a viable and fun weapon to use.

So take your sweatdiver post and stop actively trying to make the game worse. devs listened to your kind early on and it nearly killed the game, time to step aside and let fun over take sweat.

its not 308 its 30.06 its even more powerful then 308

[Operator]

Originally posted by EvilZombie:

Originally posted by Operator:

try again buddy, a bullet doesn't magically do less damage because it's coming out of a different gun.
we can argue barrel length until the cows come home
but a 308 is going to hurt the same if it comes out of a machine gun or a bolt actions end of story.
Look you are sincere I get it. but you are sincerely wrong.

But in the end this is a video game, we want to have fun while playing a video game. there is nothing fun about having a meme tier gun that you use once and throw away after.

and dude you never played HD1 apparently because in that game, we had weapon upgrades and with those, the constitution was actually a viable and fun weapon to use.

So take your sweatdiver post and stop actively trying to make the game worse. devs listened to your kind early on and it nearly killed the game, time to step aside and let fun over take sweat.

its not 308 its 30.06 its even more powerful then 308

Yeah that was my mistake, I was at the range today and the guy next to me was shooting a 308 so that was the first thing that came to mind.

[Iratus Machina]

As the saying goes, "One man's trash is another man's treasure."

[Holttem]

Its fun and satisfying. really good at bots