Thank you for ruining the plasma punisher...

[Herr Morlock]

Well done, devs. You were ruining the one and only special feeling primary weapon, without any reason, which felt rewarding, once you put in the time to get used to it's firing arc...

I whished, the armor would still be as useless, as before the patch and the bots were hitting as hard as before, as long as I would get back the plasma punisher I was used to and was loving until now...

[Mitzuriki]

Chances are, you don't even use it

[Herr Morlock]

Originally posted by Mitzuriki:

Chances are, you don't even use it

Yes, NOW I won't anymore. Before, it was the one and only primary I always took against bots.

[iteration2]

Used to be one of my favorite bot guns. It's trash now. It could have survived nerfs to damage, fire rate, ammo, whatever. But it feels like a completely different gun that is terribly awkward to use at close, medium, and long ranges. At close range, it seems to shoot right through targets. At medium range, it's trajectory is so finicky and inconsistent that it's extremely difficult to get it to land where you need it to. And by the time the projectile reaches a target at long range, you'll have taken several rounds of fire before you even see where your projectile landed.

I would gladly give back this last patch, despite some of the other buffs (mostly to things that really didn't need them, like the autocannon and recoilless rifle) we got, if it meant them not (for all practical purposes) removing one of the most fun and unique guns in the game.

[Mistress Creamy Pancakes]

If one of yall could explain why you liked the gun so much to me that would be nice. I personally tried it once and it was easily one of the ones I fastest went "I am not touching that again." I would rather take the old purifier or even something considered by many as awful such as the knight smg over it. The only thing I could maybe understand liking about it might be its "grenade-like" shots.

[r3ach5stars1]

they really ruined that weapon now is wortless i dont know what they "buffed" about that weapon is completly useless now

[VIRUSOID]

Oh no, one gun out of tens are bad now
suck it up, you big baby, and try something else
there are much better guns out there

[r3ach5stars1]

Originally posted by VIRUSOID:

Oh no, one gun out of tens are bad now
suck it up, you big baby, and try something else
there are much better guns out there

i did and that doesnt change the fact they ruin that weapon and that is the problem they make punisher useless now

[DtHouse]

It was my best bot weapons, but now can't use it :/ well i need to find a new one, it's was nice to use it :(

[LoveTruffle]

Originally posted by Mistress Creamy Pancakes:

If one of yall could explain why you liked the gun so much to me that would be nice. I personally tried it once and it was easily one of the ones I fastest went "I am not touching that again." I would rather take the old purifier or even something considered by many as awful such as the knight smg over it. The only thing I could maybe understand liking about it might be its "grenade-like" shots.

It was a plasma mortar primary weapon that could body bot waves in just a few shots. Anything it didn't instantly kill it staggered for the follow up shots. When you have the arc down it was effective at long range too.

Plasma Punisher used to be amazing for choke point defense with a balance of killing power and staggering power. The last patch made it a shadow of its former self.

[six togetoge]

Originally posted by Mistress Creamy Pancakes:

If one of yall could explain why you liked the gun so much to me that would be nice. I personally tried it once and it was easily one of the ones I fastest went "I am not touching that again." I would rather take the old purifier or even something considered by many as awful such as the knight smg over it. The only thing I could maybe understand liking about it might be its "grenade-like" shots.

It killed striders from the front as the explosion bypassed frontal armor. It stunlocked berserkers even before the buff patch/nerf to berserkers. It knocked Devastators off target and allowed for more stuns for followup shots. It was a great primary for bot front, now really outclassed by other options, but during the dark times it was one of four or five bot primaries that didn't feel like you were gimped playing with it.

It's not the same gun anymore. It functions differently, now it works much more like the other Punisher shotguns.

[Mistress Creamy Pancakes]

Originally posted by LoveTruffle:

Originally posted by Mistress Creamy Pancakes:

If one of yall could explain why you liked the gun so much to me that would be nice. I personally tried it once and it was easily one of the ones I fastest went "I am not touching that again." I would rather take the old purifier or even something considered by many as awful such as the knight smg over it. The only thing I could maybe understand liking about it might be its "grenade-like" shots.

It was a plasma mortar primary weapon that could body bot waves in just a few shots. Anything it didn't instantly kill it staggered for the follow up shots. When you have the arc down it was effective at long range too.

Plasma Punisher used to be amazing for choke point defense with a balance of killing power and staggering power. The last patch made it a shadow of its former self.

Originally posted by six togetoge:

Originally posted by Mistress Creamy Pancakes:

If one of yall could explain why you liked the gun so much to me that would be nice. I personally tried it once and it was easily one of the ones I fastest went "I am not touching that again." I would rather take the old purifier or even something considered by many as awful such as the knight smg over it. The only thing I could maybe understand liking about it might be its "grenade-like" shots.

It killed striders from the front as the explosion bypassed frontal armor. It stunlocked berserkers even before the buff patch/nerf to berserkers. It knocked Devastators off target and allowed for more stuns for followup shots. It was a great primary for bot front, now really outclassed by other options, but during the dark times it was one of four or five bot primaries that didn't feel like you were gimped playing with it.

It's not the same gun anymore. It functions differently, now it works much more like the other Punisher shotguns.

My biggest issue with it, other than the awkwardness of all explosive primaries and self damage and close range, is the crossbow and eruptor even in their perceived "bad" states always did its job but just better. They have aoe medium pen blasts that could kill striders in 1-2 shots and blow up/stagger groups of any devastator or lesser enemy similarly but had the added bonus of one shotting devastators on headshot and blowing up fabs. So I never saw any additional possible bonus to the plas punisher than shooting a bit faster.

(Not trying to say you couldn't like it, just explaining part of why I never found it appealing)

[とも]

Originally posted by Mistress Creamy Pancakes:

If one of yall could explain why you liked the gun so much to me that would be nice.

i didnt see this thread and made my own explaining the appeal but i'll recap.

it had a very nice area of impact. it was extremely useful against the scout walkers to launch the pilot out of its seat on any distance.
on short distance you had to be a bit careful but on long range it went in such a beautiful arc that you could easily fire into a crowd, even when partially behind cover, and take out a group of enemies, including the shielded guys that would end up stumbling a bit.
you could also arc it over closer by enemies to hold off the further back ones while others took care of the close enemy.
can't do it with its straight shot now.
there was a unique utility to it with a variety of cases where it excelled.
not it just doesn't.

personally i don't care if this weapon is bad now.
but i really wish they would give me a gun now that continues with this legacy.
the granade launcher doesnt have this kind of drop either so it's not that.

basically i wish i could get some kind of small mortar again. either just like what this gun used to be,
or could even be a stratagem with a manually operated mortar that comes with an ammo backpack that you can team reload on to go faster.

there is just a huge satisfaction of popping off a bunch of shots arced like that into an enemy group.
regular mortars dont deliver that same kind of fun, even when you can upgrade to them prioritizing marked targets. i'd much rather aim them myself.

it's what this PP used to do for me well enough. now i don't have anything like it.

[Malidictus]

Originally posted by six togetoge:

It's not the same gun anymore. It functions differently, now it works much more like the other Punisher shotguns.

Isn't that kind of the point, though? Much like how the Punisher Slugger wasn't intended to be a sniper rifle, I don't think the Punisher Plasma was ever intended to be a mortar. I can't speak to its other stats like damage and AoE, but limiting its effective range sees like the point.

[Enforcer]

Originally posted by Malidictus:

Originally posted by six togetoge:

It's not the same gun anymore. It functions differently, now it works much more like the other Punisher shotguns.

Isn't that kind of the point, though? Much like how the Punisher Slugger wasn't intended to be a sniper rifle, I don't think the Punisher Plasma was ever intended to be a mortar. I can't speak to its other stats like damage and AoE, but limiting its effective range sees like the point.

It actually makes more sense now that the arc is less pronounced, it's an energy weapon. The flat trajectory makes it easier to use.

[[CULT] Siren]

be me. a real chad. a real man's man. using any gun i want regardless of how powerful or nerfed it is