Why is the Reprimand not one handed?

[Facetable]

Might just be a incorrect perception of mine, but one of the main advantages of SMGs over other primary types in my mind is that they can be wielded with one hand. This pairs well with things like ballistic shields and/or transport missions (carrying stuff) but comes at the cost of range and accuracy

In considering this, the new Reprimand seems like its in an awkward spot - the Adjudicator assault rifle seems to already fill the same niche pretty well (medium armor pen, similar dps, two handed) and arguably better in some ways (aside from a bit of damage, the Adjudicator has higher stats across the board). At the same time there isn't currently an automatic weapon that is both one handed and has medium armor pen which seems like a missed opportunity for the Reprimand

Idk. Maybe some of the stats would need to be adjusted for balance, but it seems to me like the Reprimand could better fill a niche by being one handed.

Thoughts?

[Mahjik]

The Crossbow already does that one-handed niche of heavier damage. I personally love it the way it is now and hope it's not changed (unless they give it 5 more bullets per magazine).

[Facetable]

Originally posted by Mahjik:

The Crossbow already does that one-handed niche of heavier damage. I personally love it the way it is now and hope it's not changed (unless they give it 5 more bullets per magazine).

Crossbow is a ton of fun yeah, though the weakness of it comes from difficulty at close range (Can lead to blowing yourself up if enemies get too close) and small magazine size. The SMG would do much less damage in return for being able to use it at any range, and for possibly being able to better deal with groups that are too spread out to make use of the crossbow's aoe

[Hown Brash]

Some SMGs are two-handed and some are one-handed if we're referring to IRL.

Also I absolutely think you'd wanna hold a heavy SMG with both hands :o

That said, Arrowhead should probably put the reprimand into it's own category, like "Heavy SMG" instead of the other SMGs

The trailer was showing two-handed animations anyways.

[Facetable]

Originally posted by Hown Brash:

Some SMGs are two-handed and some are one-handed if we're referring to IRL.

Also I absolutely think you'd wanna hold a heavy SMG with both hands :o

That said, Arrowhead should probably put the reprimand into it's own category, like "Heavy SMG" instead of the other SMGs

The trailer was showing two-handed animations anyways.

Oh yeah no, definitely can understand them being two handed irl. I just was thinking about it from a gameplay perspective (what makes each weapon type unique. Heavy SMG seems like could be a neat idea for a category too now that you mention that idea though

[Titan Exodos]

i think they should keep it two handed, but give it the same medium pen ammo/light stun ammo toggle the Halt has. Tho it would need maybe a tweak like less damage, or worse ergonomics to compensate but i think it would be cool

[gothicpando]

Feels like they kinda forgor to buff the new weapons after buffing the old...

[Deathwing]

Reprimand is heavy-hitting SMG that can kill things better than any automatic weapon in primary section(except maybe Scorcher). To compensate such power, it has recoil and spread(really, really huge spread. But well, it's SMG and it's for CQC situations)

It would simply be unplayable if it would be a one-handed SMG because of the spread, and if we will talk about "removing" such spread and lower the damage - than why you will need any AR? Because even with 110 damage, it would simply be enough to kill things much, much faster than, well, any other AR or SMG in this game, I'm not even talking about medium pen

[[Asgard] Thor]

Feel like this topic comes up almost daily. It’s a heavy SMG that packs a lot of fire power.

[Skull Admiral 🎖]

Originally posted by Facetable:

Might just be a incorrect perception of mine, but one of the main advantages of SMGs over other primary types in my mind is that they can be wielded with one hand. This pairs well with things like ballistic shields and/or transport missions (carrying stuff) but comes at the cost of range and accuracy

In considering this, the new Reprimand seems like its in an awkward spot - the Adjudicator assault rifle seems to already fill the same niche pretty well (medium armor pen, similar dps, two handed) and arguably better in some ways (aside from a bit of damage, the Adjudicator has higher stats across the board). At the same time there isn't currently an automatic weapon that is both one handed and has medium armor pen which seems like a missed opportunity for the Reprimand

Idk. Maybe some of the stats would need to be adjusted for balance, but it seems to me like the Reprimand could better fill a niche by being one handed.

Thoughts?

i honestly i have other good question, it was said or atleast i think it was, that both newest warbond weapons will have somesort of staggering effect, perfect example PUMMELER SMG from POLAR warbond, new shotgun has this effect with fire modes, but SMG somehow does not all tho some armored units seem to flinch when hit by new SMG, heavy rounds.

[Koala 4peace]

Reprimand does have a place in extermination maps, since distances are shorter there. Unless you drop on a big rock like it happened to me yesterday. Trying to shoot the bots from more than a 50 meters away with it is frustrating; thankfully i had a turret build.

In normal maps i don't see the point of picking it over the more versatile Adjudicator, unless you want a short range primary. In which case shotguns tend to perform better.

[corpse]

It's not one handed because its so power-full that your helldiver needs two hands to hold this beast of a smg.

Its based off of the UMP45. With its high caliber power and not so great recoil. A very cool weapon but not so much in open field combat situations. I wouldn't mind taking it to enclosed Jungle maps and dense forest maps. Would be amazing.

If you can fire an AKSU-74 or UMP45 with one hand without breaking your arm post a video and I'll believe you.

[Metal]

Originally posted by Hown Brash:

Some SMGs are two-handed and some are one-handed if we're referring to IRL.

Also I absolutely think you'd wanna hold a heavy SMG with both hands :o

*Rolls eyes* Only if you mean "one-handed" the way Helldivers 2 does, in that you could still use it effectively one-handed if your support hand has something else in it. You'd want to shoot ANY weapon with as much support as possible in any given situation, even something that's compact with a low-recoil round. All the pistols and other SMGs in the game are used with both hands when you don't have the shield or SSD or whatever else, because that's how they should be used. Just because your COD guy uses a MAC11 one handed doesn't mean that's "how it is IRL."

Anyway, that's kinda why the Reprimand is in a weird spot. As it is right now, it would make more sense to call it the Reprimand Carbine and put it in the assault rifle category. It's a close-mid range, high damage, low ROF assault rifle. The defining trait of SMGs is that they are primary weapons that can be used one-handed. I don't see why it being "heavy" should change that. Assault rifles, marksman rifles, shotguns, and pistols all have variants with higher damage, more recoil, and lower ROF, and/or medium armor penetration. Just have the Reprimand be that in the SMG category.

[Metal]

Originally posted by corpse:

It's not one handed because its so power-full that your helldiver needs two hands to hold this beast of a smg.

Its based off of the UMP45. With its high caliber power and not so great recoil. A very cool weapon but not so much in open field combat situations. I wouldn't mind taking it to enclosed Jungle maps and dense forest maps. Would be amazing.

If you can fire an AKSU-74 or UMP45 with one hand without breaking your arm post a video and I'll believe you.

Oh boy. Somebody really doesn't know anything about guns.

So I doubt you've got actual inside info from the devs, but the Reprimand does look like the UMP45 - which doesn't mean anything, and actually hurts your argument. The UMP45 fires - believe it or not - the .45 Automatic Colt Pistol cartridge. Which is - believe it or not - a pistol cartridge. It's relatively large diameter and slow compared to other pistol rounds - capable of good damage on soft tissue, but still a pistol round. Caliber is the measure of the bullet diameter, so while the .45 is "large caliber" that doesn't mean the same thing as when people say it in regards to a .50 BMG, for example. They're referring to high caliber full-power rifle rounds.

The UMP45 is not the "beast of a smg" you're referring to. It's a polymer version of the MP5. The Thompson and M3 Grease Gun were .45 SMGs, and didn't have this terrifying power you're talking about. Funny enough, if you wanted me to pick an SMG to use one-handed, I'd argue the UMP's a really good choice.

You're also kind of missing the point of one handed in the context of the game - all the weapons that are one handed are used with both hands unless you're carrying something else. See my reply above on why it's weird for this.

And there's no shoulder-fired small arm that's going to break your arm by not having your support hand on it when you fire it. Do you even know what you meant when you said that? How do you think that would happen? People obviously shoot .45 handguns one-handed, and the UMP45 would transfer less of that force to the shooter. The AKSU-74 shoots the Russian 5.45, which is similar to 5.56 NATO, an intermediate rifle round. I can shoot an AR-15 one handed. I don't have video, but here's someone dual-wielding M60s, which shoot full power 7.62x51 NATO, on full auto, without breaking his arms (a miracle!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOfsMBGR7AA

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by METAL:

So I doubt you've got actual inside info from the devs, but the Reprimand does look like the UMP45 - which doesn't mean anything, and actually hurts your argument. The UMP45 fires - believe it or not - the .45 Automatic Colt Pistol cartridge. Which is - believe it or not - a pistol cartridge. It's relatively large diameter and slow compared to other pistol rounds - capable of good damage on soft tissue, but still a pistol round. Caliber is the measure of the bullet diameter, so while the .45 is "large caliber" that doesn't mean the same thing as when people say it in regards to a .50 BMG, for example. They're referring to high caliber full-power rifle rounds.

To add to this, if there is any doubts still, the .45 ACP is a 11,43x23mm bullet. The .50 BMG is a 12.7×99mm one. And that's just the size of the bullets.

[Woldy]

its pretty big.
and hipfire with it is quite difficult. being onehanded would not add much.