smg is total trash and now second worst gun in game next to the bolt action relic

[Daos]

2 handed
piss poor accuracy
small mag.

why the F would i ever take this gun.
fix this trash arrow head.

better yet test your dam guns and play your game.

Muppet's

[Daos]

o never mind its permanent new mission cannot use change key binding cannot use going to have to validate it for ♥♥♥♥ sake

[Koala 4peace]

Kind of a exaggeration, but it's true that i don't see any reason to pick it over the Adjudicator. Matter of taste, i imagine.

[voces junior]

And has more damage than any SMG or AR.

Has the same damage than veredict pistol bu with more capacity and auto fire

[Cryptic]

it is seriously powerful but you have to be skilled enough to use it.

[blankitosonic]

Its more like a "heavy" adjudicator for close and mid range , because hits hard when shots lands

[Yui]

idk man seems like a skill issue

[Thumb]

more smgs is good I like it

[Get Donked On]

it would honestly not be terrible if they didnt give it that insanly slow reload for no reason. like for real those mags cant be that big and heavy if theres onl 25 rounds in there our diver needs to get their brain dmg under control andput a lil speed behind it.

altho the fact the first round doesnt go on target is kinda weird i will admit.

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by Get Donked On:

it would honestly not be terrible if they didnt give it that insanly slow reload for no reason. like for real those mags cant be that big and heavy if theres onl 25 rounds in there our diver needs to get their brain dmg under control andput a lil speed behind it.

altho the fact the first round doesnt go on target is kinda weird i will admit.

Make it one handed and i'm happy with it's slow reload.

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Originally posted by Daos:

2 handed
piss poor accuracy
small mag.

why the F would i ever take this gun.
fix this trash arrow head.

better yet test your dam guns and play your game.

Muppet's

125 standard damage
32 durable damage
490 rpm
1k DPS

I will say one thing, improve the accuracy and change the mags to 30 rounders with 9 spare total instead of 10 and you got yourself an S tier.

One handed at that point would be completely optional.

[Winter]

kicks way too much so i see where thats coming from but if you for a sec ignore the kick its a rapid hard hitting smg ..thats cool and as just that it is good, but for me i will stick to my normal gear least till its worked over a bit [if that happens]

[Anticitizen 1]

It's mid, for the first time in multiple months I ran out of ammo on a primary when I was using it yesterday. It seems like it's an SMG they want you to use as a DMR but it's accuracy is ♥♥♥♥. Doesn't make sense.

[Tahla]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

it is seriously powerful but you have to be skilled enough to use it.

To conflate RNG with skill is certainly an opinion to have. When shots don't land where you want them, it's not that great. Damage is great but hitting weak spots is a gamble unless you only use it in shotgun range.

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

it is seriously powerful but you have to be skilled enough to use it.

calling it seriously powerful is disingenuous

[Botji]

Originally posted by Tahla:

Originally posted by Cryptic:

it is seriously powerful but you have to be skilled enough to use it.

To conflate RNG with skill is certainly an opinion to have. When shots don't land where you want them, it's not that great. Damage is great but hitting weak spots is a gamble unless you only use it in shotgun range.

This is my beef with it, its only somewhat reliable at the same range my Punisher 1-2 shots Devastators as well but the Punisher also has the advantage of heavy stagger and "no reload".

I would only consider seriously using both the SMG and new shotgun against the bugs since neither of them have anywhere near the accuracy that you want against bots. I had high hopes of finding a new shotgun to use instead of the Punisher.. sadly not.