Complaints about "pre-nerfing".

[LeftIsBest-James]

What would you prefer? pre-nerfing or post-launch-nerfing?

I kinda feel like people are gonna be more upset with 'post-launch nerfs'.
And some people are gonna be impossible to please anyway.

[Wutever]

Pre-nerfed has lost all of the little meaning it had these days.

The fire warbond was legit pre-nerfed because of the fire mechanic change. This Warbond is honestly pretty decent. SMG and pistol are great on bots, shotgun needs some work, but is OK on bugs. People just like to complain.

[Samiel Hydeberg]

I would prefer them getting weapons more or less right on release. After 63 days long initiative to buff weapons one would think that devs finally got the hang of things. Releasing another batch of mid weapons after high quality shartpost of liberty day is just disrespectful.

[Tahla]

Diposting pertama kali oleh LeftIsBest-James:

What would you prefer? pre-nerfing or post-launch-nerfing?

I kinda feel like people are gonna be more upset with 'post-launch nerfs'.
And some people are gonna be impossible to please anyway.

How about balancing weapons before they launch so they don't need buffs or nerfs? Arrowhead has almost always forgotten about warbond weapons that were still in the pipeline when balancing the rest of the game. Like when the tenderizer came out with liberator damage or the gas warbond still being abysmal dog s...breath.

Not to mention that people don't like having stuff changed they like, especially if they have to pay money and play substantial amount of time unlocking afterwards.

[Wutever]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Samiel Hydeberg:

I would prefer them getting weapons more or less right on release. After 63 days long initiative to buff weapons one would think that devs finally got the hang of things. Releasing another batch of mid weapons after high quality shartpost of liberty day is just disrespectful.

It's good that they are mid. All of them are usable and the pistol is actually great. It's better to slightly buff or fix things later than to nerf something that's actually busted on release.

[Samiel Hydeberg]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wutever:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Samiel Hydeberg:

I would prefer them getting weapons more or less right on release. After 63 days long initiative to buff weapons one would think that devs finally got the hang of things. Releasing another batch of mid weapons after high quality shartpost of liberty day is just disrespectful.

It's good that they are mid. All of them are usable and the pistol is actually great. It's better to slightly buff or fix things later than to nerf something that's actually busted on release.

Oh, so now instead of "It is either going to be trash or it will get nerfed" mentality, we have "at least it is not complete garbage". Hopefully we will actually evolve into expecting competent releases from AH.

[Logen Neuf-Doigts]

what about no nerfs genius

[Wutever]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Samiel Hydeberg:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wutever:

It's good that they are mid. All of them are usable and the pistol is actually great. It's better to slightly buff or fix things later than to nerf something that's actually busted on release.

Oh, so now instead of "It is either going to be trash or it will get nerfed" mentality, we have "at least it is not complete garbage". Hopefully we will actually evolve into expecting competent releases from AH.

This is a competent release. The guns are fine. The only things I have an issue with are that the SMG is not one-handed and that the shotgun takes too long to switch between ammo types.

In terms of feel and numbers all of them are decent to good.

Armors are OK, but could use a little something.

The only real dud is the booster.

Compare this to the gas Warbond. Rover? Trash. Gun? Trash. Armors? Trash. Stim pistol? Trash. Gas grenade? Decent. Truth Enforcers is a legitimate improvement on AH's part.

[Little Leo]

If every new weapon comes out over powered its either going to get nerfed or the games gonna power creep. its perfectly fine for a weapon to be usable even under perform. if its legit broken or unusable it needs adjusting. the problem is everyone has a different definition of "overpowered, broken, trash, unusable, etc.

[Rincewind]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Little Leo:

If every new weapon comes out over powered its either going to get nerfed or the games gonna power creep. its perfectly fine for a weapon to be usable even under perform. if its legit broken or unusable it needs adjusting. the problem is everyone has a different definition of "overpowered, broken, trash, unusable, etc.

And most people agree on the defenition of apologist morons.

If i shoot things with a gun and stuff dies? Thats good.

If i shoot thing with a newly released shotgun that does not kill things at a comparable rate of the guns i was using before. Then its pretty much useless.

[Samiel Hydeberg]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wutever:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Samiel Hydeberg:

Oh, so now instead of "It is either going to be trash or it will get nerfed" mentality, we have "at least it is not complete garbage". Hopefully we will actually evolve into expecting competent releases from AH.

This is a competent release. The guns are fine. The only things I have an issue with are that the SMG is not one-handed and that the shotgun takes too long to switch between ammo types.

In terms of feel and numbers all of them are decent to good.

Armors are OK, but could use a little something.

The only real dud is the booster.

Compare this to the gas Warbond. Rover? Trash. Gun? Trash. Armors? Trash. Stim pistol? Trash. Gas grenade? Decent. Truth Enforcers is a legitimate improvement on AH's part.

Compared to gas warbond even constitution alone looks like an improvement. Hell, releasing NOTHING is an improvement over gas warbond. At least you cant waste your time and SCs on warbonds that dont exist.

New guns are mid at best. SMG is SMG only in name. Kicks like a horse and needs you to either tap it or bring armor for extra recoil negation.
Shotgun with 8 shots and high spread. And incredibly awkward to use gimmick. Nah. I will stick to bbq or punisher. Even Slugger in its current state performs better.

[LadyRayneCloud]

Games to easy now as is. You lot don't want challenge. You want to one shot everything in the game.

[Little Leo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rincewind:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Little Leo:

If every new weapon comes out over powered its either going to get nerfed or the games gonna power creep. its perfectly fine for a weapon to be usable even under perform. if its legit broken or unusable it needs adjusting. the problem is everyone has a different definition of "overpowered, broken, trash, unusable, etc.

And most people agree on the defenition of apologist morons.

If i shoot things with a gun and stuff dies? Thats good.

If i shoot thing with a newly released shotgun that does not kill things at a comparable rate of the guns i was using before. Then its pretty much useless.

"Comparable rate" and "useless" are gonna be different for everyone bud. Halt feels fine to me, spreads a bit much and the ammo swapping is clunky but by all means insult me again for thinking critically in this crybaby infested cesspit.

[Samiel Hydeberg]

Diposting pertama kali oleh LadyRayneCloud:

Games to easy now as is. You lot don't want challenge. You want to one shot everything in the game.

You guys really should come up with new ragebait. 9 months of the same thing is kinda boring.

[SteelDemon]

Competence, is what I would prefer.

Seriously, nobody likes guns that feels like trash to use, and waiting weeks if not months for them to "maybe" get a buff that makes them good, is FAR worse than them being slightly OP, and getting a slight nerf later on.
(Incen. Breaker was different, because people were simply SICK of the nerfs.)

Just ask the knight smg, or the starting pistol... Or all the other guns left in the dust.

The tenderizer is one of the outliers, but we had to wait WEEKS for it to be even decent.

That's. Not. Fun.

[voidCaster]

Diposting pertama kali oleh LeftIsBest-James:

What would you prefer? pre-nerfing or post-launch-nerfing?

I kinda feel like people are gonna be more upset with 'post-launch nerfs'.
And some people are gonna be impossible to please anyway.

Look at the already-existing weapons.

The Senator has no primary counterpart, but it's pretty fair to compare it to the Eruptor which is a high-damage, explosive, small-mag weapon.

The Dagger is an energy weapon which has a direct counterpart in the Scythe. The Dagger has a fair-equivalence damage drop (about 2/3rds of the big brother) and almost equal fire-time (meaning mag size), for a one-handed weapon.

Now there's a new plasma pistol W00T W00T W00T! But the existing Scorcher has a decent mag -- it's an ammo hog, but you can take down a gunship with a full mag if you can put every shot more or less on-target. Then they bring out the new pistol, which is nerfed to just over half the damage and significantly less than half the magazine of the big brother... and instead of a full-auto pistol to provide a lower-damage replacement to the Scorcher (which would allow a competent diver to elect a different primary), it's one of those POS joke weapons that has to charge up before it can be fired... does anybody even know if the 125 popgun damage it does is with or without chargeup?

That's not a fair trade for a one-handed weapon. So pre-nerf it or post-nerf it, FOAD either way. That isn't a game developer, that's a halfwit who doesn't even play games.