So about that new SMG...

[Foxador]

I was playing around with it because out of all the guns this was the one I was looking forward to the most. However I was nothing but disappointed with the gun as a whole when using it.

First off, it's two handed which ruins the whole aspect of it being a SMG that you can use one handed. For primary weapons we only have two SMG's that can be used one handed and then the crossbow. Technically you can say three SMG's but two of them are the same exact gun but one has a strobe effect on it when you hit a target

Second this weapon is very inaccurate, it's not something that you can use on the move reliably as it's spread is horrendous even when standing still. One of the things SMG's have going for them is that they're more accurate and it's something that you can use while on scooting around. This weapon tho? I have to treat it like a rifle and stop moving or go crouch if I was any shot to be reasonably accurate past 15m. It also kicks pretty hard so you can't stay on target so you need to do more single shots or burst shots

The "low" RPM being a selling point of this SMG is kinda silly considering that it's just as slow as all the other SMG's, other than the knight. The other SMG's have a RPM of 520 and 475 while this one has 490 placing it right in the middle of the SMG's and you won't even notice a difference because it shots just as slow as the rest of them. Why does every single SMG in this game have such a slow firing rate? It's kinda appealing that they're all set to such a slow firerate. Only the liberator concussive has a slower firing rate

With 25 rounds in the chamber this has half the ammo in the mag as every other SMG in the game which means that you're going to be reloading this thing all the time, even more so when you keep missing your shots because of the spread. This causes you to end up reloading A LOT!!

Which brings up my next point, the time to reload is PAINFULLY slow. If you have a round in the chamber it's roughly 2+ seconds to reload. God help you if you're empty tho because that has a 3-3.5 second. It's probably 3 seconds but I kept timing it and it felt like 3.5 more often than naught. The animation to reload is like played at such a slow speed it feels like they got the numbers wrong. This doesn't feel like someone doing a combat reload with how slow it looks and feels. I can forgive some of these things but the reload speed is NOT one of them. I can accept having to reload a lot but don't make it so I have a 3.5 second reload which I'm going to have to keep doing considering that mag size is so small

This feels like a assault rifle pretending to be a SMG. You need to manage your shots very closely as you need to go prone or crouch to help offset the recoil of the gun. Even more so because the mag size is so small that every miss hurts a lot

I will say that it's a really pretty gun tho! That's the one aspect that I really enjoy about this weapon is just that it looks amazing and it's the only thing I love about the weapon

This gun needs a few things to help it out. Considering that the selling point in the text for this weapon is the high recoil we'll leave that be and just accept it that's fine, but a few other things need to change. It needs a higher mag size, I would say at least 30-35 rounds. The reload needs to be faster, at least 1.5 seconds with a round in the chamber and 2.5 seconds when empty. Most importantly it needs it's spread reduced by over half. It's a heavy gun firing heavy rounds so it's going to stay on target more often than not, even more so because of the low RPM, it's not going to be bouncing all over the place. It should be sickle levels of accurate

I would love to see this weapon be one handed as well, because if it stays to be a two handed weapon, than in game function it's nothing more than a assault rifle that has a pitiful RPM. I would be better off using the diligence rifle

[Wutever]

Foxador님이 먼저 게시:

First off, it's two handed which ruins the whole aspect of it being a SMG that you can use one handed. For primary weapons we only have two SMG's that can be used one handed and then the crossbow. Technically you can say three SMG's but two of them are the same exact gun but one has a strobe effect on it when you hit a target

This is really my only gripe with the weapon so far. What's the point of this being an SMG when you can't one-hand it?

It's the only full-auto gun that can one-tap Devastator heads, so I like it. Unless you count the Scorcher, I guess. Reprimand has more than 2x the total ammo compared to the Scorcher though.

[Chaos]

Yeah, it might as well be an assault rifle if it wasn't compact enough for one handed.

Actually this gun feel more like a battle rifle than an SMG.
Slow and clunky? check
High recoil? check
Big damage? check

Why the hell is it an SMG is beyond me, it's stats are solid tho if you think of it as an AR.

[Balthazar the Magnificent Dog]

I like it vs bugs. A bit of stagger, lot of damage, lots of ammo.
Shakes like crazy, but you are not supposed to shoot bugs in the distance anyway.

[Hody]

32 bullets per mag and make it one handed, now it's actually a decent choice.

At least the shotgun is good.

[Funky Koval]

Let me brake that one for you: IT SUCKS

[Madjar]

Hody님이 먼저 게시:

32 bullets per mag and make it one handed, now it's actually a decent choice.

At least the shotgun is good.

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keep the 25, give it a silencer

[Foxador]

I tested the rifle... sorry SMG out more and I found it's recoil to be even sadder, if that was possible

I was standing and just spraying and praying the machine gun I found on the floor and compared it to the SMG and it was night and day. Using armor that doesn't change recoil at all the difference was crazy.

The machine gun has LESS recoil than this SMG does in every stance. Standing, crouched or prone the SMG goes straight to it's maximum bloom after just 1/2 bullets and is already bouncing around at it's highest peak of recoil. The machine gun slowly raises up to it's maximum peak taking maybe a second to get to it's highest point in every stance. Not only was it's recoil less and easier to manage, it also has very little spread making it very accurate which is something that the SMG can't say

I really want to like this gun because I like how it looks, but with it's stupid slow reload and crazy recoil I can't use it at all. It's not fun to use

[Hody]

Madjar님이 먼저 게시:

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keep the 25, give it a silencer

You know what? Good idea. It would make it unique to all the other weapons without changing any of the stats.

[Mydia Stardream]

SMG's are the only weapon that haven't received buffs, so they feel REALLY underwhelming nowadays, since everything else got buffs, including the enemies. I hate to say this as an SMG main, but better use the overbuffed eruptor or any of the other "meta" weapons.

They're currently in an almost unusable state.

[BingusDingus]

The mistake was labelling it an SMG, It's clearly a high powered carbine.

[Foxador]

Hody님이 먼저 게시:

Madjar님이 먼저 게시:

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keep the 25, give it a silencer

You know what? Good idea. It would make it unique to all the other weapons without changing any of the stats.

Having a high powered inaccurate "silenced" weapon wouldn't be that helpful tho. If you're just spraying all over the place because of the recoil and the massive spread this gun has you'd give away your position

BingusDingus님이 먼저 게시:

The mistake was labelling it an SMG, It's clearly a high powered carbine.

It acts like a Battle Rife / Assault Rifle in every aspect but name. It looks like a SMG but handles like an AK-47

[Funky Koval]

Its garbage

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Madjar님이 먼저 게시:

Hody님이 먼저 게시:

32 bullets per mag and make it one handed, now it's actually a decent choice.

At least the shotgun is good.

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keep the 25, give it a silencer

Wtf would a suppressor help with?

[Sotanaht]

It's a worse JAR-5 Dominator. Short of spraying blindly and/or killing small bugs and bot troopers (only at short range, due to the horrible accuracy), there's really no reason to pick the Reprimand over the Dominator.

Thing is, I don't think the Dominator is meta either.

[Wutever]

Hody님이 먼저 게시:

32 bullets per mag and make it one handed, now it's actually a decent choice.

At least the shotgun is good.

How the hell is the shotgun good? It's a glorified stun grenade.

Only change it needs, I think is making it one-handed because it makes no sense for an SMG to be two-handed. That's just a rifle then.

Chaos님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, it might as well be an assault rifle if it wasn't compact enough for one handed.

Actually this gun feel more like a battle rifle than an SMG.
Slow and clunky? check
High recoil? check
Big damage? check

Why the hell is it an SMG is beyond me, it's stats are solid tho if you think of it as an AR.

It doesn't have high recoil. Just pull down a bit. Because of the slow fire rate it's far more controllable than something like the Adjudicator that just wobbles around no matter what you do. Also, how is it clunky? It has very good handling.