So about that new SMG...

[Foxador]

I was playing around with it because out of all the guns this was the one I was looking forward to the most. However I was nothing but disappointed with the gun as a whole when using it.

First off, it's two handed which ruins the whole aspect of it being a SMG that you can use one handed. For primary weapons we only have two SMG's that can be used one handed and then the crossbow. Technically you can say three SMG's but two of them are the same exact gun but one has a strobe effect on it when you hit a target

Second this weapon is very inaccurate, it's not something that you can use on the move reliably as it's spread is horrendous even when standing still. One of the things SMG's have going for them is that they're more accurate and it's something that you can use while on scooting around. This weapon tho? I have to treat it like a rifle and stop moving or go crouch if I was any shot to be reasonably accurate past 15m. It also kicks pretty hard so you can't stay on target so you need to do more single shots or burst shots

The "low" RPM being a selling point of this SMG is kinda silly considering that it's just as slow as all the other SMG's, other than the knight. The other SMG's have a RPM of 520 and 475 while this one has 490 placing it right in the middle of the SMG's and you won't even notice a difference because it shots just as slow as the rest of them. Why does every single SMG in this game have such a slow firing rate? It's kinda appealing that they're all set to such a slow firerate. Only the liberator concussive has a slower firing rate

With 25 rounds in the chamber this has half the ammo in the mag as every other SMG in the game which means that you're going to be reloading this thing all the time, even more so when you keep missing your shots because of the spread. This causes you to end up reloading A LOT!!

Which brings up my next point, the time to reload is PAINFULLY slow. If you have a round in the chamber it's roughly 2+ seconds to reload. God help you if you're empty tho because that has a 3-3.5 second. It's probably 3 seconds but I kept timing it and it felt like 3.5 more often than naught. The animation to reload is like played at such a slow speed it feels like they got the numbers wrong. This doesn't feel like someone doing a combat reload with how slow it looks and feels. I can forgive some of these things but the reload speed is NOT one of them. I can accept having to reload a lot but don't make it so I have a 3.5 second reload which I'm going to have to keep doing considering that mag size is so small

This feels like a assault rifle pretending to be a SMG. You need to manage your shots very closely as you need to go prone or crouch to help offset the recoil of the gun. Even more so because the mag size is so small that every miss hurts a lot

I will say that it's a really pretty gun tho! That's the one aspect that I really enjoy about this weapon is just that it looks amazing and it's the only thing I love about the weapon

This gun needs a few things to help it out. Considering that the selling point in the text for this weapon is the high recoil we'll leave that be and just accept it that's fine, but a few other things need to change. It needs a higher mag size, I would say at least 30-35 rounds. The reload needs to be faster, at least 1.5 seconds with a round in the chamber and 2.5 seconds when empty. Most importantly it needs it's spread reduced by over half. It's a heavy gun firing heavy rounds so it's going to stay on target more often than not, even more so because of the low RPM, it's not going to be bouncing all over the place. It should be sickle levels of accurate

I would love to see this weapon be one handed as well, because if it stays to be a two handed weapon, than in game function it's nothing more than a assault rifle that has a pitiful RPM. I would be better off using the diligence rifle

[[Asgard] Thor]

OP isn't using the new gun right and is mad about it which is weird take. It's a close range medium penetrating powerhouse that works great on bots and mid on bugs. I've watched a couple of people who test these things and that SMG is amazing if used right.

[Enforcer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mydia Stardream:

SMG's are the only weapon that haven't received buffs, so they feel REALLY underwhelming nowadays, since everything else got buffs, including the enemies. I hate to say this as an SMG main, but better use the overbuffed eruptor or any of the other "meta" weapons.

They're currently in an almost unusable state.

That's why even police forces are switching to rifles because SMGs don't really have a good use anymore, even an SBR is way better than a SMG at everything.
The rifles as they are in game don't do enough damage, SMGs are niche and should have high rof and low velocity but in exchange have quick handling, low pen, low damage and low recoil ( even the one handed ones that are terrible in one hand use ).

[Foxador]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Asgard Thor:

OP isn't using the new gun right and is mad about it which is weird take. It's a close range medium penetrating powerhouse that works great on bots and mid on bugs. I've watched a couple of people who test these things and that SMG is amazing if used right.

So that means you haven't used it but are saying that I'm using it wrong and are basing your whole opinion from some YouTube video?

All I'm saying is the reload is long, it has a ton of recoil, it has a small mag size and you can't hit anything past 25m which is exactly what the YouTube "testers" are saying as well

[Thorstorm]

The accuracy is horrible, it's meant for close range but even then it's horrible.

And I agree it should be used one-handed.

[ELX-Sevazinho☄]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Foxador:

I tested the rifle... sorry SMG out more and I found it's recoil to be even sadder, if that was possible

I was standing and just spraying and praying the machine gun I found on the floor and compared it to the SMG and it was night and day. Using armor that doesn't change recoil at all the difference was crazy.

The machine gun has LESS recoil than this SMG does in every stance. Standing, crouched or prone the SMG goes straight to it's maximum bloom after just 1/2 bullets and is already bouncing around at it's highest peak of recoil. The machine gun slowly raises up to it's maximum peak taking maybe a second to get to it's highest point in every stance. Not only was it's recoil less and easier to manage, it also has very little spread making it very accurate which is something that the SMG can't say

I really want to like this gun because I like how it looks, but with it's stupid slow reload and crazy recoil I can't use it at all. It's not fun to use

post this on their discord and tag the devs

[Cyroy]

Skill issue tbh.

[[Asgard] Thor]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Foxador:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Asgard Thor:

OP isn't using the new gun right and is mad about it which is weird take. It's a close range medium penetrating powerhouse that works great on bots and mid on bugs. I've watched a couple of people who test these things and that SMG is amazing if used right.

So that means you haven't used it but are saying that I'm using it wrong and are basing your whole opinion from some YouTube video?

All I'm saying is the reload is long, it has a ton of recoil, it has a small mag size and you can't hit anything past 25m which is exactly what the YouTube "testers" are saying as well

I do a lot of research into things that seem interesting. Especially when I'm stuck at work and can't play lol. All your complaints are in conflict with the weapon itself. It's like complaining a sniper rifle doesn't shoot fast enough and sucks in close range.

[Foxador]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Asgard Thor:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Foxador:

So that means you haven't used it but are saying that I'm using it wrong and are basing your whole opinion from some YouTube video?

All I'm saying is the reload is long, it has a ton of recoil, it has a small mag size and you can't hit anything past 25m which is exactly what the YouTube "testers" are saying as well

I do a lot of research into things that seem interesting. Especially when I'm stuck at work and can't play lol. All your complaints are in conflict with the weapon itself. It's like complaining a sniper rifle doesn't shoot fast enough and sucks in close range.

My complaints about a gun are in conflict with it's self? It having a small mag size, massive recoil, can't hit anything past 25m (the SMG says that it's a MEDIUM range weapon FYI) and a 3+ second reload are all in conflict with the gun huh?

Tell me how this SMG having more recoil than the MG 43 is in conflict with the weapon I'm interested. One would imagine that standing and firing a MG 43 at full auto would have more recoil, but it has less recoil than the SMG that has almost half the firing rate and it's half the size

How is a weapon that is told to be a MEDIUM range weapon unable to hit anything at medium range? That's in conflict with it's self. The weapon description also says that the lower rate of fire is supposed to manage and lower the recoil but that's in conflict with it's self

You make it sound like I'm saying the weapon is trash when I'm just say that it has problems and some of them don't make sense and should be fixed. I want a weapon that's told to be a medium range weapon to hit targets at medium range etc etc

[DestinedLight]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Foxador:

I was playing around with it because out of all the guns this was the one I was looking forward to the most. However I was nothing but disappointed with the gun as a whole when using it.

This gun needs a few things to help it out. Considering that the selling point in the text for this weapon is the high recoil we'll leave that be and just accept it that's fine, but a few other things need to change. It needs a higher mag size, I would say at least 30-35 rounds. The reload needs to be faster, at least 1.5 seconds with a round in the chamber and 2.5 seconds when empty. Most importantly it needs it's spread reduced by over half. It's a heavy gun firing heavy rounds so it's going to stay on target more often than not, even more so because of the low RPM, it's not going to be bouncing all over the place. It should be sickle levels of accurate

I would love to see this weapon be one handed as well, because if it stays to be a two handed weapon, than in game function it's nothing more than a assault rifle that has a pitiful RPM. I would be better off using the diligence rifle

Honestly its the exact gun i wanted, it's everything the Battle rifle wanted to be, BR-14 bite me, this is the real battle rifle
Minus the atrocious spread of "fire 30cm to the left at 20m, then maybe 60cm down and to the right the next shot."

[Wulfen]

I think it should swap stats with the Adjudicator, keep the 25 round mag, and gain 1 handed.

Right now it kinda outclasses the Adjudicator

[TwoTonTuna]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Foxador:

This feels like a assault rifle pretending to be a SMG. You need to manage your shots very closely as you need to go prone or crouch to help offset the recoil of the gun. Even more so because the mag size is so small that every miss hurts a lot

Like some others have said here, it's better to treat the SMG-32 Reprimand more like a battle rifle than a horde-clearing SMG.

Each bullet of the Reprimand packs a mean punch, but the low rate of fire and low magazine cap means it just can't kill hordes fast enough at higher difficulties. On the other hand, the high spread, high recoil, and dot sight means it isn't good good for long range.

It is, however, REALLY good at picking off armored units at close to medium range. This is due to the gun's exceptional handling, making it easy to quickly aim a three-round burst at weak points.

This good handling is why I think putting the Reprimand in the SMG category works: It doesn't have the stability of a rifle even when you need two hands to use it, but the stubby frame makes it easier to shift your aim than most rifles.

My opinion: treat the Reprimand as a medium armor-buster and pair it with strategems or a support weapon to clear hordes, thermites to kill heavy armor up close, and maybe the EATs or rail cannon strike for killing heavies at range.

[Koala 4peace]

Diposting pertama kali oleh DestinedLight:

Honestly its the exact gun i wanted, it's everything the Battle rifle wanted to be, BR-14 bite me, this is the real battle rifle :praisesun:
Minus the atrocious spread of "fire 30cm to the left at 20m, then maybe 60cm down and to the right the next shot."

Except the Adjudicator allow for both marksmanship at range and effective bullet storm at close range. The SMG is only better at close, worse at mid and useless at long range.

[DestinedLight]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Koala 4peace:

Diposting pertama kali oleh DestinedLight:

Honestly its the exact gun i wanted, it's everything the Battle rifle wanted to be, BR-14 bite me, this is the real battle rifle
Minus the atrocious spread of "fire 30cm to the left at 20m, then maybe 60cm down and to the right the next shot."

Except the Adjudicator allow for both marksmanship at range and effective bullet storm at close range. The SMG is only better at close, worse at mid and useless at long range.

I did note the awful spread, but outside of that, this has the damage i'd demand of the BR-14, The BR14's sights are bad enough to say it still wouldn't be marking too great where it'd even threaten the DMRs, and its recoil being that much worse.

[[Asgard] Thor]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Foxador:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Asgard Thor:

I do a lot of research into things that seem interesting. Especially when I'm stuck at work and can't play lol. All your complaints are in conflict with the weapon itself. It's like complaining a sniper rifle doesn't shoot fast enough and sucks in close range.

My complaints about a gun are in conflict with it's self? It having a small mag size, massive recoil, can't hit anything past 25m (the SMG says that it's a MEDIUM range weapon FYI) and a 3+ second reload are all in conflict with the gun huh?

Tell me how this SMG having more recoil than the MG 43 is in conflict with the weapon I'm interested. One would imagine that standing and firing a MG 43 at full auto would have more recoil, but it has less recoil than the SMG that has almost half the firing rate and it's half the size

How is a weapon that is told to be a MEDIUM range weapon unable to hit anything at medium range? That's in conflict with it's self. The weapon description also says that the lower rate of fire is supposed to manage and lower the recoil but that's in conflict with it's self

You make it sound like I'm saying the weapon is trash when I'm just say that it has problems and some of them don't make sense and should be fixed. I want a weapon that's told to be a medium range weapon to hit targets at medium range etc etc

I've gotten some time to pay with it. It's a nearly perfect weapon of war. Against the bots it's amazing. Haven't played vs bugs yet. One shots small bots, three or four shots devastators. Crouch or prone for best results. Have you tried semi or burst fire or are you just full autoing from a standing position at medium to long range?

[Hawk]

It's just the Adjudicator before they reduced the recoil pattern 2 or 3 times over it's lifespan. Sure higher damage but less total ammo, less ammo per mag, same ROF as the adjudicator or at least very close, poor range past 5 yards and quite inaccurate. Oh and you know... two handed SMG with a painfully slow reload.