So about that new SMG...

[Foxador]

I was playing around with it because out of all the guns this was the one I was looking forward to the most. However I was nothing but disappointed with the gun as a whole when using it.

First off, it's two handed which ruins the whole aspect of it being a SMG that you can use one handed. For primary weapons we only have two SMG's that can be used one handed and then the crossbow. Technically you can say three SMG's but two of them are the same exact gun but one has a strobe effect on it when you hit a target

Second this weapon is very inaccurate, it's not something that you can use on the move reliably as it's spread is horrendous even when standing still. One of the things SMG's have going for them is that they're more accurate and it's something that you can use while on scooting around. This weapon tho? I have to treat it like a rifle and stop moving or go crouch if I was any shot to be reasonably accurate past 15m. It also kicks pretty hard so you can't stay on target so you need to do more single shots or burst shots

The "low" RPM being a selling point of this SMG is kinda silly considering that it's just as slow as all the other SMG's, other than the knight. The other SMG's have a RPM of 520 and 475 while this one has 490 placing it right in the middle of the SMG's and you won't even notice a difference because it shots just as slow as the rest of them. Why does every single SMG in this game have such a slow firing rate? It's kinda appealing that they're all set to such a slow firerate. Only the liberator concussive has a slower firing rate

With 25 rounds in the chamber this has half the ammo in the mag as every other SMG in the game which means that you're going to be reloading this thing all the time, even more so when you keep missing your shots because of the spread. This causes you to end up reloading A LOT!!

Which brings up my next point, the time to reload is PAINFULLY slow. If you have a round in the chamber it's roughly 2+ seconds to reload. God help you if you're empty tho because that has a 3-3.5 second. It's probably 3 seconds but I kept timing it and it felt like 3.5 more often than naught. The animation to reload is like played at such a slow speed it feels like they got the numbers wrong. This doesn't feel like someone doing a combat reload with how slow it looks and feels. I can forgive some of these things but the reload speed is NOT one of them. I can accept having to reload a lot but don't make it so I have a 3.5 second reload which I'm going to have to keep doing considering that mag size is so small

This feels like a assault rifle pretending to be a SMG. You need to manage your shots very closely as you need to go prone or crouch to help offset the recoil of the gun. Even more so because the mag size is so small that every miss hurts a lot

I will say that it's a really pretty gun tho! That's the one aspect that I really enjoy about this weapon is just that it looks amazing and it's the only thing I love about the weapon

This gun needs a few things to help it out. Considering that the selling point in the text for this weapon is the high recoil we'll leave that be and just accept it that's fine, but a few other things need to change. It needs a higher mag size, I would say at least 30-35 rounds. The reload needs to be faster, at least 1.5 seconds with a round in the chamber and 2.5 seconds when empty. Most importantly it needs it's spread reduced by over half. It's a heavy gun firing heavy rounds so it's going to stay on target more often than not, even more so because of the low RPM, it's not going to be bouncing all over the place. It should be sickle levels of accurate

I would love to see this weapon be one handed as well, because if it stays to be a two handed weapon, than in game function it's nothing more than a assault rifle that has a pitiful RPM. I would be better off using the diligence rifle

[Madjar]

XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX eredeti hozzászólása:

Madjar eredeti hozzászólása:

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keep the 25, give it a silencer

Wtf would a suppressor help with?

Foxador eredeti hozzászólása:

Hody eredeti hozzászólása:

You know what? Good idea. It would make it unique to all the other weapons without changing any of the stats.

Having a high powered inaccurate "silenced" weapon wouldn't be that helpful tho. If you're just spraying all over the place because of the recoil and the massive spread this gun has you'd give away your position

BingusDingus eredeti hozzászólása:

The mistake was labelling it an SMG, It's clearly a high powered carbine.

It acts like a Battle Rife / Assault Rifle in every aspect but name. It looks like a SMG but handles like an AK-47

short range silenced weapon for getting the drop on minor fortifications/stragglers before an actual outpost/fort.
would allow you to engage rather than circle around a few troops without having a bot drop called in

[Wutever]

There's already guns for that, like the Diligence and the Diligence CS.

[BruDuce]

both guns are trash give the smg 50 round clip and make it 1 handed then we can talk. The shotgun needs its damaged increased to 500 or make its rounds explosive something to make it different

[Mahjik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa74pJRleTw

[Mitzuriki]

guys its an UMP45 relax. A Space one that is

[Chaos]

Wutever eredeti hozzászólása:

It doesn't have high recoil. Just pull down a bit. Because of the slow fire rate it's far more controllable than something like the Adjudicator that just wobbles around no matter what you do. Also, how is it clunky? It has very good handling.

If you go full auto, it will be very noticeable.
While it more controllable thanks to it's low firerate and inherently not too strong recoil, you got to admin it not so smooth either, so much so that it actually hard to be precise with it pass like 20m if you don't do controlled burst/single shot with it.
(But I guess that was partially thanks to this gun horrible spread)

As for the clunky part, do you really not feel it?
While it not as slow as the like of HMG.
I can feel the drag like I was using heavier weapon like Dominator or maybe pre-patch Diligence CS, granted it was faster but it's nowhere near snappy like an SMG should.
I guess this is where the "Heavy" in the Heavy SMG tag come from so fair enough.

[Foxador]

Chaos eredeti hozzászólása:

If you go full auto, it will be very noticeable.
While it more controllable thanks to it's low firerate and inherently not too strong recoil,

It's stronger than you think. You can fire the MG 43 while standing while going full auto and have less recoil than this gun. After the first 1-2 rounds you're at max MoA / bloom with this SMG

[Masterofgaming22]

its an smg because its an smg round. that doesnt meant it has to be one handed

[Chaos]

Foxador eredeti hozzászólása:

It's stronger than you think. You can fire the MG 43 while standing while going full auto and have less recoil than this gun. After the first 1-2 rounds you're at max MoA / bloom with this SMG

Maybe, I literary don't or rather can't go full auto with this gun often, since I notice I can barely keep the sight on a bugs/bots head after the first few shots.
So I just tab it like a semi-auto gun instead.
It's kinda acceptable in CQC range that the gun want to be use in, but I suppose the "inherently not too strong recoil" may be a bit too nice to the gun.

[Unix]

The accuracy is atrocious. Fix that, and all the other trade-offs feel fine.

[ZX119A]

SMG's shouldn't be one-handed to begin with. They aren't machine pistols. SMGs ARE carbines, btw.

[Mandemon]

WTF are you people talking about? The gun slaps. Medium pen with decent damage, it basically eats bots for breakfast.

Make it one handed? Just because it is labeled SMG does not mean it must be one handed. The recoil is nowhere bad, it's meant to be CLOSE RANGE option. It literally says in the description that it's a heavier SMG for close range combat.

[Bad_Lieutenant]

Its just a heavier smg (literally and firepower wise) so it makes sense its two handed.

[Koala 4peace]

Foxador eredeti hozzászólása:

BingusDingus eredeti hozzászólása:

The mistake was labelling it an SMG, It's clearly a high powered carbine.

It acts like a Battle Rife / Assault Rifle in every aspect but name. It looks like a SMG but handles like an AK-47

It's not nearly accurate enough to be a rifle. Really, at first i thought it was me, but a lot of single shots go wide after 20m.

[Snowfunk]

Microscopic magazines, with an EPIC reload time.